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The new number 9…

Yeah. Price inflation is basically a function of the amount of money chasing particular goods or assets. In football's case it's almost exactly correlated with the tv money clubs earn, and that's gone up way beyond general price inflation. Firstly because of Sky, then Sky squeezing its customers ever harder, then finally the global audience for PL exploding and foreign TV rights with it.

I think prices have settled down recently, though, tbf. I don't think Wirtz would've been that much cheaper 5 years ago. Didn't Grealish go to City for £100m 4 years ago?
Re the plateauing of prices, I think the Dembele / Neymar deals kind of set a high watermark.
As far as the British record is concerned. while there was a huge leap for Shearer, there was then a massive leap between Robinho (£32.5m in 2008) and United selling Ronaldo (£80m the following year). But between 2009 and 2023 (Enzo Fernández) the increase is only 25% or so.
But I think what we're seeing now is that the ceiling isn't moving much, but more and more players are moving towards that ceiling. The fact that Wirtz is only £10m or so more than Fernandez and Caiceido is interesting.
And yes, without actually checking, it does feel like this is more or less in line with TV money, which makes sense. And to the extent it isn't, it'd be commercial revenues of the top clubs driving the extra.
 
Re the plateauing of prices, I think the Dembele / Neymar deals kind of set a high watermark.
As far as the British record is concerned. while there was a huge leap for Shearer, there was then a massive leap between Robinho (£32.5m in 2008) and United selling Ronaldo (£80m the following year). But between 2009 and 2023 (Enzo Fernández) the increase is only 25% or so.
But I think what we're seeing now is that the ceiling isn't moving much, but more and more players are moving towards that ceiling. The fact that Wirtz is only £10m or so more than Fernandez and Caiceido is interesting.
And yes, without actually checking, it does feel like this is more or less in line with TV money, which makes sense. And to the extent it isn't, it'd be commercial revenues of the top clubs driving the extra.

Neymar and Dembele feel like outliers don't they? Presumably they're linked, anyway? (ie Neymar paid for Dembele). And I'm guessing Neymar was a big splash by the Qataris combined with him being an unusually high profile transfer (massive star, who was already at a "destination" club). It was quite a bit bigger than even most record-breaking transfers just in terms how momentous it was.
 
The resigning of VVD and Salah coupled with the statement signing of Wirtz would suggest that we're looking to maximize our current position (if only we could've done the same under Klopp) so spending 100M on someone super raw feels like it perhaps wouldn't strike the right balance between short term and medium/long term. But then neither does spending a large sum on Gyokeres or even more on Isak.

I'd like to believe there is some moneyball signing that 6 months into next season will have us all saying "damn, shoulda signed that guy" but yeah it's looking pretty thin on the ground.

Maybe the best move is to wait.

For @tombrown’s benefit - I think Richard Hughes is quite good… and here’s why…


I wonder and this is pure speculation, but I’d imagine a large part of signing players is to do with contacts - which agents you know, which family members or teammates you know, etc, etc.

I read somewhere the other day, probably on here, that the main reason we weren’t able to sign Caicedo was because, although we’d shown interest earlier in his career we’d not maintained a relationship, whereas Chelsea had put in the effort so that when the time was right he wanted them.

In the past it’s been known we put a fair bit of effort into Bellendingham before pulling a Man City and going with “too expensive”; we’d tracked Gravvy for years, missed out when he initially went to Bayern, but we obviously kept in touch; not surprised we’re being linked with Tchouameni again; we did the ground work on Virgil; even hiring Slot looks like we did a lot of work to get him on board with everything (like, we’re not spending a fuck load initially).

We’ve clearly put the work into Wirtz, but these are the sort of transfers that we’ve not quite gotten over the line previously.

I’m sure being Champions helps, as does the CL league stage performance, but are we potentially underselling whether Hughes is actually very fucking good at what he does.

Now, I know certain people hate him - but everything I think we’ve heard about the guy speaks of someone really fucking good at what we need.

He’s not interested it being in the limelight - I don’t recall an interview or anything from him.

He’s clearly respected in the industry, speaks multiple languages, if the Slot stories are true, knows the value of doing your homework and being prepared

Negotiation is mostly about being prepared, having knowledge and understanding what value actual and how to get it - it’s not like in the movies where you have big chest thumping monologues in adversarial negotiations - it’s mostly dull, fully prepped, understand what each side needs to get and finding a way to get there.

But that’s only part of it - the main part feels like it’s more about understanding individuals and their needs - and, I go back to it - maintaining contacts, not burning bridges, building relationships and trust - which is basically what underpins any successful business.

The other side of it is discipline - you can be nice, you don’t need to be nasty or vindictive, but you do need to be able to say no and walk away from things if they don’t meet your goals and not cave into to pressure - Inthink we saw that with Virgil & Salah.

I think we’re also building a reputation that we’ll respect player’s wishes without throwing our dummies out of the pram in the way some fans would love us to - like if a player wants to run his contract down but is still delivering, we’ll accept that for what it is rather than go all Fatal Attraction Glen Close.

Not going to keep everyone happy, but likely to at least show players we’re not cunts - compare that with City’s somewhat functional and feels like vindictive nature - people getting fucked out the door on loan for seemingly no reason or more importantly not getting cake or ducatti’s on their birthday (the cunts). Even the de Bruyne exit felt a bit shit.

I just think he’s a really important but understated addition to the team and looks like we might be setting ourselves up for success rather than glorious failure.

Feels like the tables have turned on City - and they’re now scrambling to sign good, but not necessarily top tier players - not sure Guardiola has the patience to deal with players below his usual high standard.

Ah well… brain dump done.
 
@StevieM - its coaches like Guardiola - who are completely system based that have benefited from the natural development of players from clubs outside his control, and then he turns them into semi-control robots who get him out of out shit. Because of this "system" success - too many coaches have spawned with this ideas of how football should be played - if you are old enough - Guardiola's football is like Brazil pre 1990 but without the natural beauty of Brazilian football as it was then.

Yeah - he is going to struggle coz he will not find the standard of player he needs now. I think what he did to Grealish was terrible, and I also think players who are old school creative - DO NOT want to play under him.
 
@StevieM - its coaches like Guardiola - who are completely system based that have benefited from the natural development of players from clubs outside his control, and then he turns them into semi-control robots who get him out of out shit. Because of this "system" success - too many coaches have spawned with this ideas of how football should be played - if you are old enough - Guardiola's football is like Brazil pre 1990 but without the natural beauty of Brazilian football as it was then.

Yeah - he is going to struggle coz he will not find the standard of player he needs now. I think what he did to Grealish was terrible, and I also think players who are old school creative - DO NOT want to play under him.
Cherki kind of disproves that theory - he’s an old-school maverick AM and will surely Grealish’d.
 
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We were tentatively linked a while back to Gonçalo Ramos. Possibly surplus at PSG and from what I've seen he might suit our style as a bit of a poacher and a bit of a link man. Certainly better than most of the other options out there right now.
 
We were tentatively linked a while back to Gonçalo Ramos. Possibly surplus at PSG and from what I've seen he might suit our style as a bit of a poacher and a bit of a link man. Certainly better than most of the other options out there right now.
He's a one in two striker (P: 40 G:19) for PSG. Might be worth a punt alright...
Decent scoring record for Portugal too (P: 16 G: 9)....
 
@StevieM - its coaches like Guardiola - who are completely system based that have benefited from the natural development of players from clubs outside his control, and then he turns them into semi-control robots who get him out of out shit. Because of this "system" success - too many coaches have spawned with this ideas of how football should be played - if you are old enough - Guardiola's football is like Brazil pre 1990 but without the natural beauty of Brazilian football as it was then.

Yeah - he is going to struggle coz he will not find the standard of player he needs now. I think what he did to Grealish was terrible, and I also think players who are old school creative - DO NOT want to play under him.

Surely Pre-90’s Brazil was the opposite of “system”, along with other teams of the time they relied more on individual genius than tactics or system.

The ‘82 Brazil team was one of the best teams I’ve ever seen, but they couldn’t defend.

I would have thought, given where Guardiola learnt and played his football, that he was more Cruff Dutch total football but with an emphasis on control rather than flexibility.

Regardless - I think you give footballers too much credit - bags of cash and opportunity to win shiny trinkets will motivate them to play for teams as much as anything else.
 
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If this isn’t the most utterly perfect example of this place in successive posts, I don’t know what it…

Bravo, gents! 🤣
 
We were tentatively linked a while back to Gonçalo Ramos. Possibly surplus at PSG and from what I've seen he might suit our style as a bit of a poacher and a bit of a link man. Certainly better than most of the other options out there right now.

I wouldn't hate it, as he's probably as good as any other options linked to us, and probably would be cheaper
 
I watched a video of this lad when we were first linked, so that makes me an expert scout now.
Looked decent. Good finisher, finishes with the foot best suited for the occasion, calm, good off the ball movement.
 
We were tentatively linked a while back to Gonçalo Ramos. Possibly surplus at PSG and from what I've seen he might suit our style as a bit of a poacher and a bit of a link man. Certainly better than most of the other options out there right now.
That link has not resurfaced. The club are keeping it really tight who we get linked with
 
He's a one in two striker (P: 40 G:19) for PSG. Might be worth a punt alright...
Decent scoring record for Portugal too (P: 16 G: 9)....
I'm always wary of strikers playing in inferior leagues or for dominant teams, with barely passable stats. He isn't a Suarez with massive figures which maybe should be the case playing for PSG in La Ligue.
 
Detouring here, but is actually going with Joao Felix?

He cost £113m in 6 years ago. He's now been stripped off a number at Chelsea after they signed him after a failed loan there.

Hell of a drop off.
 
Detouring here, but is actually going with Joao Felix?

He cost £113m in 6 years ago. He's now been stripped off a number at Chelsea after they signed him after a failed loan there.

Hell of a drop off.

Felix has to be up there among biggest flops in history. He's flopped across several teams. He's even flopped at Chelsea TWICE.

The very definition of a player whose agent should be finding him a Saudi club.
 
Felix has to be up there among biggest flops in history. He's flopped across several teams. He's even flopped at Chelsea TWICE.

The very definition of a player whose agent should be finding him a Saudi club.
He disrupted the team chemistry at AC Milan too, which was a factor in their horrible season. A player who looks so good on the eye test, but will always disappoint.

In other words, United should sign him!
 
@StevieM - its coaches like Guardiola - who are completely system based that have benefited from the natural development of players from clubs outside his control, and then he turns them into semi-control robots who get him out of out shit. Because of this "system" success - too many coaches have spawned with this ideas of how football should be played - if you are old enough - Guardiola's football is like Brazil pre 1990 but without the natural beauty of Brazilian football as it was then.

Yeah - he is going to struggle coz he will not find the standard of player he needs now. I think what he did to Grealish was terrible, and I also think players who are old school creative - DO NOT want to play under him.
Look what he's done to Doku - brilliant destructive winger, now..... sideways pass master
 
I’m not sure Doku was ever that good. In a crappy league he ran past all the players, now in a good league he goes past one then probably figured out he can’t get past the next so goes back and beats the one he beat previously. I think he has always looked limited in a decent league. City’s spending has become less focussed and more hap hazard lately. Just look at their summer spending so far, feels rather hopeful…
 
If we get him as well, it’s the best summer in history of football ever and would define a new standard in transfer windows. Surely not possible.
 
If we are after Bradley barcola, As well as a 9, I would become an entirely different poster. Borderline personality shift after a head injury

He’d be the Diaz replacement wouldn’t he?

Fuck it… him for Diaz, then Donkey to Athletico for Alvarez and Diomande in from Sporting.

Get that done and even Binomial will have a personality shift.
 
He’d be the Diaz replacement wouldn’t he?

Fuck it… him for Diaz, then Donkey to Athletico for Alvarez and Diomande in from Sporting.

Get that done and even Binomial will have a personality shift.
the Diomande link is a lazy one, every year he gets rolled out to us.
 
Gyokeres and his agent at war with the Sporting president. The club wants close to the release clause and the president denies there is a gentleman’s agreement with a lower fee. Can see why nobody have tried to sign him yet.
 
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