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bluebell said:
@moron will be happy

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If this is real, and if it happens and we replace Nunez with a more competent striker, we will win everything next season, and we would have the most complete midfield in the world. No team in world football will surpass our 6 potential starters to cover all comps and opposition we may face. He is exactly what we need to rotate Szobo, and play someone who is a gifted baller and has physical battling qualities.
 
Diaz was our second most important forward this season.

I think we know what his ceiling is, and we also know he's not a starting 9, but he's dependable, better than most, and can play in different positions for cover.

Its not necessarily wrong to get rid of him, but while jota and Nunez replacements are obvious avenues for improvement, and have no upside, it's not actually that easy to improve on Diaz.

Diaz has been a no brainer though, we have spent so little on his wages for his level. With that factored in he's been an incredible buy, even if he never reached that next level. Few do.
 
I wouldn’t sell Diaz unless we get silly money. He was superb this season.

The more players you replace in one window the higher the risk of one or more not working out.

Diaz well done the list of areas needing immediate attention.
 
Just a quick observation on the window. So far, we're moving pretty quickly. There are probably a few reasons for this:
1. Get Slot the players he wants so that they are ready to go from the first day of pre-season. That's a big advantage this year as they will be getting a proper summer break for a change, they should come back rested and pre-season can have a huge bearing on the proper season.
2. The players we're looking at are wanted by multiple clubs. If we don't move decisively we will miss out on them (we can see this with Wirtz - if he didn't have us after him, he could well have gone to Bayern or City, despite reservations about them).
3. Speculating a little here, but I do remember a season a while back when we got business done early and it was largely because Michael Edwards sensed that transfer values were going to bloat, so he bought early to compensate. The downside is that if you then don't sell according to plan then you can end up financially short at the end of the window. I wonder if we expect transfer fee inflation this summer - after the CWC, no-one will be that keen on buying from the clubs who take part as you'll be buying players who are exhausted. That then drives up the price of players from other clubs, by the basic rules of supply and demand.
 
Beamrider said:
Just a quick observation on the window. So far, we're moving pretty quickly. There are probably a few reasons for this:
1. Get Slot the players he wants so that they are ready to go from the first day of pre-season. That's a big advantage this year as they will be getting a proper summer break for a change, they should come back rested and pre-season can have a huge bearing on the proper season.
2. The players we're looking at are wanted by multiple clubs. If we don't move decisively we will miss out on them (we can see this with Wirtz - if he didn't have us after him, he could well have gone to Bayern or City, despite reservations about them).
3. Speculating a little here, but I do remember a season a while back when we got business done early and it was largely because Michael Edwards sensed that transfer values were going to bloat, so he bought early to compensate. The downside is that if you then don't sell according to plan then you can end up financially short at the end of the window. I wonder if we expect transfer fee inflation this summer - after the CWC, no-one will be that keen on buying from the clubs who take part as you'll be buying players who are exhausted. That then drives up the price of players from other clubs, by the basic rules of supply and demand.
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Another reason they might be expecting the CWC to cause inflation is simply the huge amount of prize money they're pushing into clubs' coffers.
 
ibromurph said:
I reckon we're selling Diaz for like 85-90M.

The money will be going towards Wirtz.

Nunez will be sold to Saudi too and we'll replace him with Ekitike for similar money.

Kerkez will come in. Our net spend will be under 100M.
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I've been convinced Diaz is going for a while, because he's the biggest saleable asset, he's going to decline, and we have another player who is younger who can play his preferred position. If we renew him, that's a risk too.

I also think gakpo could do a job as a backup false 9, because he did it before.

I'm less convinced with gakpo in general and especially off the ball. He could definitely still improve but what is the case about gakpo that definitely isn't about Diaz is he goes completely missing in games. Diaz will fight his way through a game and influence things, even if he frustrates the shit out of you. Gakpo, especially for his height, is also not a good outlet ball.

You would also think that Diaz' as a ball carrier should be a bit more redundant on the dribble with the signing of wirtz, who by all reports, written in jizz, does that very well. I guess we will see.

Maybe I'm just still in klopp mode, but we need some dog in our midfield with the quality. Diaz has that. Jota does but is too slow now. We also need more speed. It's all very well getting it from fullback, but there's nothing wrong with it starting nearer the goal.
 
If Diaz is really going to fetch us 80m or so, I won't say another bad thing about him.

Not nearly as good enough on the left, not nearly as good enough as a 9.

All the best.
 
KopRed said:
If Diaz is really going to fetch us 80m or so, I won't say another bad thing about him.

Not nearly as good enough on the left, not nearly as good enough as a 9.

All the best.
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See, this is just disrespectful.

I can totally accept selling the older of the two left wingers you have that are worth around 60 million, i would rather not, but I accept it, especially if they can't play together in a first 11 anymore.

That doesn't mean either isnt nearly good enough.

Luis had 17 goals 8 assists, a goal every 196.


Who are the some of the big names in left wingers in world football right now?

Kvratskelia...
11goals 9 assists, a goal every 274 mins

Vinicius junior
20goals 17 assists, a goal every 204

Mitoma
11th goals 4 assists a goal every 270

Anthony gordon (only including as possible replacement this season)
6 Goals, 6 assists

Rafinha
34 g 25 a, a goal every 137

Leao
12 g 13 a goal every 292


Now I'm not saying some of these wouldn't be more productive with us, and I'm not saying he's the absolute best in class, because he isn't. What he is one of the best left wingers in the world, and can play at 9. He's also underpaid relative to the rest.

The reason we might sell him isn't that he's bad, it's that we have a new false 9, I'm guessing, and Cody gakpo, who is also one of the best.

Gakpo is 18g 7a a goal every 150.

They're both easily "good enough". The fact that we have both is a part of why we won the league. Their purple patches helped immensely, and further that Diaz had it in him to play centrally as well, even though he doesn't like it.

For reference, 22/12 was manes best season.

If we sold both of them and targeted the best left winger available in the market, there's every chance whoever we brought in would be worse.
 
Farkmaster said:
See, this is just disrespectful.

I can totally accept selling the older of the two left wingers you have that are worth around 60 million, i would rather not, but I accept it, especially if they can't play together in a first 11 anymore.

That doesn't mean either isnt nearly good enough.

Luis had 17 goals 8 assists, a goal every 196.


Who are the some of the big names in left wingers in world football right now?

Kvratskelia...
11goals 9 assists, a goal every 274 mins

Vinicius junior
20goals 17 assists, a goal every 204

Mitoma
11th goals 4 assists a goal every 270

Anthony gordon (only including as possible replacement this season)
6 Goals, 6 assists

Rafinha
34 g 25 a, a goal every 137

Leao
12 g 13 a goal every 292


Now I'm not saying some of these wouldn't be more productive with us, and I'm not saying he's the absolute best in class, because he isn't. What he is one of the best left wingers in the world, and can play at 9. He's also underpaid relative to the rest.

The reason we might sell him isn't that he's bad, it's that we have a new false 9, I'm guessing, and Cody gakpo, who is also one of the best.

Gakpo is 18g 7a a goal every 150.

They're both easily "good enough". The fact that we have both is a part of why we won the league. Their purple patches helped immensely, and further that Diaz had it in him to play centrally as well, even though he doesn't like it.

For reference, 22/12 was manes best season.

If we sold both of them and targeted the best left winger available in the market, there's every chance whoever we brought in would be worse.
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His productivity only increased slightly because he played as a 9. He loves tap-ins is all I can say.

When he played on the left, his end product was poor, certainly not "good enough" imo considering we had Mo, Jota etc, who were no slouch in finishing off chances. Statistically speaking, he is playing for us, he needs to produce more; he has more of the ball, more chances to have the ball, and playing with better players, at least comparatively to the Mitomas and Gordons. He has also one of the most minutes played to try to up his end product, but he just doesn't do it. In our bigger, more important games, he is completely toothless.

Anyway, I couldn't care less what the others have done, it is what he has done for us that matters. I know we are in the midst of the euphoria of winning the title, but that does not mean we shouldn't look at where we can improve. Nunez, Jota, Szobo etc have all been called out for being not good enough, I don't see why Diaz is that special or why it is "disrespectful". I am not criticizing him as a person, I have never called him out for lacking effort, but overall, I think we can do better than Diaz.

For the record, I do not mind him in the squad, I just do not want him in our starting 11 come next season. We can do alot better than him in the 9 position. On the left? He's had his chance. And for a squaddie, if we can get 80m, I will be thrilled.
 
KopRed said:
His productivity only increased slightly because he played as a 9.
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That would make sense if he was more productive as a 9 than on the left, but he wasn't, statistically, or in my memory, so it doesn't. He had a better year because he got in the box more and was played differently with our lb largely staying put. His most productive position was LW. He started the season there as our best player, which really helped get momentum going.

Whether or not Diaz is surplus to requirements greatly depends on where wirtz is playing if he comes in, whether we are buying a 9 and on and on.

You said he wasn't nearly good enough. He is. Hes nearly great, he just won't get there.
 
Farkmaster said:
That would make sense if he was more productive as a 9 than on the left, but he wasn't, statistically, or in my memory, so it doesn't. He had a better year because he got in the box more and was played differently with our lb largely staying put. His most productive position was LW. He started the season there as our best player, which really helped get momentum going.

Whether or not Diaz is surplus to requirements greatly depends on where wirtz is playing if he comes in, whether we are buying a 9 and on and on.

You said he wasn't nearly good enough. He is. Hes nearly great, he just won't get there.
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"His most productive position was LW" - this is backed up by what? Time on the ball? He was never productive and flattered to deceive even though he has had alot of the ball to produce something, perhaps 2nd only to Salah. His numbers were not even 10% of Salah's.

Anyway, it's water under the bridge, I won't bother with the stats game or whichever. He was shifted from the LW by Slot himself, so perhaps you can question why he did that and we won the league. He won't start in LW unless Gakpo is out or is being rotated, that much is clear.
 
Beamrider said:
Just a quick observation on the window. So far, we're moving pretty quickly. There are probably a few reasons for this:
1. Get Slot the players he wants so that they are ready to go from the first day of pre-season. That's a big advantage this year as they will be getting a proper summer break for a change, they should come back rested and pre-season can have a huge bearing on the proper season.
2. The players we're looking at are wanted by multiple clubs. If we don't move decisively we will miss out on them (we can see this with Wirtz - if he didn't have us after him, he could well have gone to Bayern or City, despite reservations about them).
3. Speculating a little here, but I do remember a season a while back when we got business done early and it was largely because Michael Edwards sensed that transfer values were going to bloat, so he bought early to compensate. The downside is that if you then don't sell according to plan then you can end up financially short at the end of the window. I wonder if we expect transfer fee inflation this summer - after the CWC, no-one will be that keen on buying from the clubs who take part as you'll be buying players who are exhausted. That then drives up the price of players from other clubs, by the basic rules of supply and demand.
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I think the pre season point is key. Just look at Chiesa after being signed late in a window.

Looks like the three starters we are targeting should all be bought in time for day 1 of pre season, and will have even had time to settle into a house here with their family.
 
Brizzle said:
I think the pre season point is key. Just look at Chiesa after being signed late in a window.

Looks like the three starters we are targeting should all be bought in time for day 1 of pre season, and will have even had time to settle into a house here with their family.
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Might have even been to an Ali BBQ or 2
 
I agree with Fark about Diaz. He's one of the best wingers out there, even if he's not world class. I also think his sheer dribbling ability is underrated, as it is for a lot of wingers who might seem to lack end product. It's something that threatens defences and draws markers and helps to create space. It's not an irrelevance even when the dribbles don't lead directly to chances.

Having said that, for the money quoted you'd have to consider moving him on considering his age. But I'd be reluctant.
 
If we sold Diaz, Jota and Nunez to bring in another LW and a CF with the plan to bring in Rio to replace Gakpo in a couple of years then I’m sound with that. It will sort us there for best part of a decade. Then we look at RW and CB.
 
I think a lot will depend on what Diaz wants. He's not going to get some lucrative 5 year deal, he's 28. The stats bods will have predicted whether his output will improve, plateau or decline. So whilst we might have some sort of deal on offer (though I doubt it), it's unlikely to involve the sort of wages or length of contract Diaz might want at this point in his career
 
Yeah, if Luiz has no desire to extend and we have a decent offer then sounds like that is a consideration.
Depends on if whether we can find an able replacement;.
 
peterhague said:
I agree with Fark about Diaz. He's one of the best wingers out there, even if he's not world class. I also think his sheer dribbling ability is underrated, as it is for a lot of wingers who might seem to lack end product. It's something that threatens defences and draws markers and helps to create space. It's not an irrelevance even when the dribbles don't lead directly to chances.

Having said that, for the money quoted you'd have to consider moving him on considering his age. But I'd be reluctant.
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He also doesn't give the ball away often when he's in possession.

17 goals and 12 assists was a fine return (even if 8 + 1 was from playing CF, not that he played as a typical CF, just roaming in that area).
 
peterhague said:
I agree with Fark about Diaz. He's one of the best wingers out there, even if he's not world class. I also think his sheer dribbling ability is underrated, as it is for a lot of wingers who might seem to lack end product. It's something that threatens defences and draws markers and helps to create space. It's not an irrelevance even when the dribbles don't lead directly to chances.

Having said that, for the money quoted you'd have to consider moving him on considering his age. But I'd be reluctant.
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I wish that was true. He dribbles alot but he hardly dribbles past anybody. He helps us progress up the pitch that's true, but in the final 3rd it's sideways or backwards. I still cannot forget how the world class Dalot kept him honest 1v1, then Antony came on, he had just as much joy.

After seeing Gakpo on the left this season, I know I will much rather have someone who doesn't run with the ball as much, but bang, a goal or assist out of nowhere, than someone who runs with the ball the entire game and produces nothing.
 
Frogfish said:
He also doesn't give the ball away often when he's in possession.

17 goals and 12 assists was a fine return (even if 8 + 1 was from playing CF, not that he played as a typical CF, just roaming in that area).
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12 assists? This season alone? No way this is true.
 
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