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He's playing with a shoulder injury til the end of the season
This game was like when your not allowed pick a good side in Fifa with a couple of stars who you can just past the ball to and try and beat everyone on your own (Suarez) and instead pick a hard working average side and pass the ball around alot more to get chances and goals.
Great to see us smash someone properly but the talk of us being better without Suarez is crazy.
Would that team do it against the very best sides? I'm not so sure and thats where you need Suarez.
Happiest I've been watching a game since we beat Utd 4-1
Great to see us smash someone properly but the talk of us being better without Suarez is crazy.
Would that team do it against the very best sides? I'm not so sure and thats where you need Suarez.
Happiest I've been watching a game since we beat Utd 4-1
There are so many goals that look pretty much identical to that one.
It's what I said - it's given Rodgers the one thing Mourinho does best -- us against the world.
Good move by Borini there to get in the open for Downing to pass to, and kudos to Downing for the sharp cutback; not the easiest of passes to get right and he did very well with the pace and accuracy there. You can see Sturridge knows where and how to get a goal - he was ready at the far post to pounce on a rebound or to receive a cross / through ball from Downing or Borini.
@suso30fernandez 3m
Happy to have some minuts after a long time.
Also good result .
Now going back to Liverpool..
@glen_johnson 18m
Great 3 points. Never heard St James Park so quiet. :-/
@sterling31 1h
Good see the boys winning #cant wait be back fit and training
@LucasLeiva87 12m
That was for you amigo @luis16suarez . #bestrong
Brilliant support by the fans thank you again.
@SebastianCoates 3m
Great win today! Congratulations @borinifabio29 for the goal on his return! Game dedicated to Luis Suare
MOTD Highlights (from 2 min onwards)
http://www.footylounge.com/films/mo...tle-v-liverpool-27042013-video_162bbe528.html
http://www.footylounge.com/films/mo...tle-v-liverpool-27042013-video_162bbe528.html
Shoo. Get back under your bridge.
It's possible.
He's still inefficient.
187 shots, 23 goals. So on average he needs 8 shots to score once.
Van Persie - 130 shots, 24 goals. 5.4 shots per goal.
Bale - 136 shots, 18 goals. 7.5 shots per goal.
Michu - 103 shots, 17 goals. 6 shots per goal.
Ba - 114 shots, 15 goals. 7.6 shots per goal.
Benteke - 97 shots, 15 goals. 6.4 shots per goal.
Lambert - 82 shots, 14 goals. 5.8 shots per goal.
Berbatov- 75 shots, 13 goals. 5.7 shots per goal.
Lukaku- 79 shots, 13 goals. 6 shots per goal.
That's the top 9 goal scorers in the league, not some carefully selected comparison and he comes out as being the most inefficient of the bunch. The worrying thing is that he's still more inefficient than the rest in his best ever season. If his finishing drifts back towards the way it was last season he'll be significantly worse.
It must be comfortable under that rock
Just watching MOTD.
The understanding, especially between Sturridge & Henderson, is amazing. Both of them on the break found each other with perfect passes without looking.
That's good coaching. Let's hope that translates as well to the defence next season.
Such a shame coutinho didn't get that looped shot in that came off the crossbar when we were 6-0 up, he deserves a goal.
The understanding, especially between Sturridge & Henderson, is amazing. Both of them on the break found each other with perfect passes without looking.
That's good coaching. Let's hope that translates as well to the defence next season.
Such a shame coutinho didn't get that looped shot in that came off the crossbar when we were 6-0 up, he deserves a goal.
Rosco,
I'm curious to know - if you could choose out of the top 10 scorers above (Suarez included) only one that you'd like to see playing for us, who would be your top 3 candidates?
BTW - some of those top scorers above take penalties for their teams. The conversion rate for penalties is obviously higher than for other goals. Is this taken into account in that stats? (in other words - do you have the stats excluding penalties?)
The "experts" Alan Shearer and Phil Neville spent most of the time discussing how Newcastle had let in so many goals.
It was only towards the end of this "analysis" that Gary Lineker mentioned that perhaps they should say something about Liverpool's performance. 😀
Fair point, I don't know which ones take penalties though.
It isn't about picking one Jimmy.
Very recently some people were saying we'd be midtable mediocrity without Suarez, (totally ignoring that we are that with him.)
I was curious about it, if 187 shots were taken by other players for us would we be better off? It's a fair question and a tough one to answer. You have to factor in that Suarez makes a lot of opportunities for himself with his dribbling, but also that he can be wasteful in front of goal.
It isn't about picking one Jimmy.
Very recently some people were saying we'd be midtable mediocrity without Suarez, (totally ignoring that we are that with him.)
I was curious about it, if 187 shots were taken by other players for us would we be better off? It's a fair question and a tough one to answer. You have to factor in that Suarez makes a lot of opportunities for himself with his dribbling, but also that he can be wasteful in front of goal.
The stats have other holes - how many of Suarez's opportunities are shots from angles where he has no other options (you know, the shots only he'd attempt)? Few players do that (Ronaldo does for example)
I thought stats were meaningless in Roscoland?
So basically, according to you and Mr Fickle Modo, we don't need him?
Ever thought to consider from those stats that he creates more opportunities for himself than anyone else? Or that how you get to the end product is irrelevant, so long as the end product is there? People used to try posting this guff when Owen/Gerrard/Torres were absent too. It's laughable. He's one of the best strikers in Europe. We know you hate him like and that you think anyone over the age of 20 isn't worth giving a contract to, but even for you this is cringeworthy.
I know, and I understand why they go in, but it looks comical.
Rosco, it's clear that Suarez is not your cup of tea, and that you'd rather see him gone ( believe you also said it explicitly in some occasions, but I might be wrong, so please correct me if it isn't so).
In the post above you're using statistic, trying to show that we'd not be a worse team w/o him than we are with him. Fair enough. However, this stats doesn't show the full picture and you know it very well.
There are the penalties issue and the chances he creates for himself (you'll struggle to find a single player, bar Messi, who gets close to the percentage of opportunities he creates for himself).
You're also ignoring his work rate, the number of balls he wins by chasing opponents and the number of balls they loose due to his presence. This never-say-die spirit of his also makes his team mates work harder.
In short. I think you got it wrong here. Football wise I think Suarez will make almost every team in the world better, and certainly Liverpool.
You could argue about the damage his on fields behaviour which is stupid and irresponsible at times, causes. But I think his contribution when it comes to footballing ability is beyond doubt.
Beating a Newcastle side that already was down doesn't mean that we don't need Suarez.
It was a great team performance and all but it doesn't change the fact that he still is our best and probably most important player.
All I said was (and I've been saying it for a while) is that Suarez has been extremely selfish. I'd go so far as to say that he probably has cost us a couple of wins this season (the two home draws) because of it.
How many times have we not seen Suarez take on a third player in the box instead of crossing to someone who's free or shoot from impossible angles instead of squaring it?
It'll be interesting to see how we'll cope without him, first signs are positive though.
It was a great team performance and all but it doesn't change the fact that he still is our best and probably most important player.
All I said was (and I've been saying it for a while) is that Suarez has been extremely selfish. I'd go so far as to say that he probably has cost us a couple of wins this season (the two home draws) because of it.
How many times have we not seen Suarez take on a third player in the box instead of crossing to someone who's free or shoot from impossible angles instead of squaring it?
It'll be interesting to see how we'll cope without him, first signs are positive though.
Rosco, Sturridge had a good day. Pre Newcastle his shooting accuracy for us was at 14%.
But if you think all our players will create as many clear cut opportunities, and never miss another chance with Suarez out the team, all the power to you.
But if you think all our players will create as many clear cut opportunities, and never miss another chance with Suarez out the team, all the power to you.
I'm not trying to show anything, just asking the question.
It's people's outright refusal to even countenance the idea that's most interesting about it.
A simplistic read of the info - if those 187 chances fell to Benteke and Lambert you'd get 29 goals. (I await someone stupidly taking this to mean I want us to sell Suarez and sign Lambert and Benteke)
What I'd love to see is the overall average for strikers in the league. That would be useful.
Mark - most football stats tell us nothing, they simply count stuff. The trend has been for every halfwit to count everything that goes on in a game and think its all relevant. Then present retarded notions on the stat - Lucas is a world class DM because he makes lots of tackles is a great example.
And judging players by chance conversion stats alone is just as silly. What situation were they in? What kind of angle? Were there teammates around him? One-on-one? Easy chance? etc. etc.
Does Suarez only get the same credit for trapping a long ball on his shoulder at speed and scoring against Newcastle earlier this season as another player tapping in into an open goal after a defensive fuck up?
I'd expect Newcastle would be relieved Luis didn't play today. Conceding 6 was enough, probably another couple if Luis was playing. The only stat that counts is points gained.
The BBC have a feature where they create a table based on each team being without it's top scorer. Their method is crude and doesn't even tell half the story, but perhaps you might feel it contributes to this debate. We remain in 7th place.
The baseline stats that are supposed to form the basis for this discussion again don't really build up much of a picture of what is really going on on the pitch, so this isn't a serious discussion. The value of each player is measured by how he fits into the team tactically, the contribution he makes all over the pitch both directly and indirectly and so forth and so forth. Suarez is a player who contributes far more than even his impressive goals tally suggests. That's why he's so highly rated by Liverpool fans and neutrals alike.
If and when he leaves some decent work by the scouts and management (you'd hope) would fill the void, ensure that other players stepped up and so forth. That is normal. It doesn't necessarily mean that the player leaving was any less valuable and that the decision to sell him was a good one.
The baseline stats that are supposed to form the basis for this discussion again don't really build up much of a picture of what is really going on on the pitch, so this isn't a serious discussion. The value of each player is measured by how he fits into the team tactically, the contribution he makes all over the pitch both directly and indirectly and so forth and so forth. Suarez is a player who contributes far more than even his impressive goals tally suggests. That's why he's so highly rated by Liverpool fans and neutrals alike.
If and when he leaves some decent work by the scouts and management (you'd hope) would fill the void, ensure that other players stepped up and so forth. That is normal. It doesn't necessarily mean that the player leaving was any less valuable and that the decision to sell him was a good one.
Who said that?
Chris Bascombe@_ChrisBascombe5h
Only just seen#lfc highlights. Played well but hope due credit given for MORAL soundness of performance too. Hugely encouraging.
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Chris Bascombe@_ChrisBascombe5h
Never mind the assists, what about the world class ROLE-MODELLING from Coutinho when he didn't react to being sliced in half by Debuchy...?
Chris Bascombe@_ChrisBascombe5h
I thought Debuchy's was quite a nasty tackle, but reliably informed there was minimal threat to it being a trend on Twitter. Phew.
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Chris Bascombe
Never mind the assists, what about the world class ROLE-MODELLING from Coutinho when he didn't react to being sliced in half by Debuchy...?
Chris Bascombe
I thought Debuchy's was quite a nasty tackle, but reliably informed there was minimal threat to it being a trend on Twitter. Phew.
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Another funny thread, courtesy of Newcastle's biggest rivals:
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=777357
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=777357
Jordan Henderson only failed with 3 passes Vs Newcastle
LOL - very nice stuff
BTW - 340 post in a match thread in which their team is not even involved. That's more than our own match thread...
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