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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44988.msg1338427#msg1338427 date=1306257800]
I'd have enrique for 8m
Downing for 12
Dann for 7
Then 2 marquee mothers
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Enrique would be a good buy for 8m. Not too sure about Downing or Dann. Downing is a decent player but our attack lacks pace. We have a surplus of intelligent slow paced players who can contribute to the attack when everything is going according to plan. We need a pacy ball carrier who can be a matchwinner like Suarez. Mancs win titles after titles by creating a nucleus of such players.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44988.msg1338427#msg1338427 date=1306257800]
I'd have enrique for 8m
Downing for 12
Dann for 7
Then 2 marquee mothers
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Enrique would be a good buy for 8m. Not too sure about Downing or Dann. Downing is a decent player but our attack lacks pace. We have a surplus of intelligent slow paced players who can contribute to the attack when everything is going according to plan. We need a pacy ball carrier who can be a matchwinner like Suarez. Mancs win titles after titles by creating a nucleus of such players.
I think we can get Enrique for 6-7 mill £, which would be a very good deal.
Premiership proven, loads of potential and will add something to the team.
Is he the type of player that can mature into a very good left back in a much better team? I think so.
At 25, he's about to hit the peak of his career. When Newcastle signed him he was regarded as one of the biggest full back talents in Spain. After a season in the Championship to toughen him up, he has taken hugh steps forward.
If people are making their judgements about his abilites after his first season in the Premiership than I can see why people dont rate him. But this year he has been very good. And would get even better playing in a team like ours.
We look much better when we play people in their natural positions. All credit to Kenny for pushing Johnson out left, because Konchesky was horrendous. BUT, we cant start a new season with him as our left back.
Premiership proven, loads of potential and will add something to the team.
Is he the type of player that can mature into a very good left back in a much better team? I think so.
At 25, he's about to hit the peak of his career. When Newcastle signed him he was regarded as one of the biggest full back talents in Spain. After a season in the Championship to toughen him up, he has taken hugh steps forward.
If people are making their judgements about his abilites after his first season in the Premiership than I can see why people dont rate him. But this year he has been very good. And would get even better playing in a team like ours.
We look much better when we play people in their natural positions. All credit to Kenny for pushing Johnson out left, because Konchesky was horrendous. BUT, we cant start a new season with him as our left back.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338421#msg1338421 date=1306257418]
Name one left back that we could sign for 7-8 mill £ that is better than Enrique?
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If there's no better left back, we shouldn't sign any. We'll survive without buying one. Add that money to buying a better quality player in another position.
Name one left back that we could sign for 7-8 mill £ that is better than Enrique?
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If there's no better left back, we shouldn't sign any. We'll survive without buying one. Add that money to buying a better quality player in another position.
We need a left back Gerry. It's glaringly obvious. Flanagan, Kelly and Robinson are young and still finding their feet, Aurelio is made out of butterfly wings he's that delicate and GJ is out position. Whether that should be Enrique is highly debatable of course.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338451#msg1338451 date=1306259810]
So, Aguero has said that he wants to leave and doesnt want the tax issue to be added to the release clause.
This makes him available for 38 mill £.
Would you sign him for that kind of money?
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*looks down back of couch*
Will have to pass on this occasion mate
So, Aguero has said that he wants to leave and doesnt want the tax issue to be added to the release clause.
This makes him available for 38 mill £.
Would you sign him for that kind of money?
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*looks down back of couch*
Will have to pass on this occasion mate
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=44988.msg1338450#msg1338450 date=1306259646]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338421#msg1338421 date=1306257418]
Name one left back that we could sign for 7-8 mill £ that is better than Enrique?
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If there's no better left back, we shouldn't sign any. We'll survive without buying one. Add that money to buying a better quality player in another position.
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Which is the exact point.
Continually spending good money on 3rd or 4th choice players who offer minute improvements on existing players and then lamenting the inability to spend more money on better players.
That's practically our mantra.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338421#msg1338421 date=1306257418]
Name one left back that we could sign for 7-8 mill £ that is better than Enrique?
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If there's no better left back, we shouldn't sign any. We'll survive without buying one. Add that money to buying a better quality player in another position.
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Which is the exact point.
Continually spending good money on 3rd or 4th choice players who offer minute improvements on existing players and then lamenting the inability to spend more money on better players.
That's practically our mantra.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44988.msg1338453#msg1338453 date=1306259842]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338451#msg1338451 date=1306259810]
So, Aguero has said that he wants to leave and doesnt want the tax issue to be added to the release clause.
This makes him available for 38 mill £.
Would you sign him for that kind of money?
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*looks down back of couch*
Will have to pass on this occasion mate
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Ha!
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338451#msg1338451 date=1306259810]
So, Aguero has said that he wants to leave and doesnt want the tax issue to be added to the release clause.
This makes him available for 38 mill £.
Would you sign him for that kind of money?
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*looks down back of couch*
Will have to pass on this occasion mate
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Ha!
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44988.msg1338455#msg1338455 date=1306260016]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=44988.msg1338450#msg1338450 date=1306259646]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338421#msg1338421 date=1306257418]
Name one left back that we could sign for 7-8 mill £ that is better than Enrique?
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If there's no better left back, we shouldn't sign any. We'll survive without buying one. Add that money to buying a better quality player in another position.
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Which is the exact point.
Continually spending good money on 3rd or 4th choice players who offer minute improvements on existing players and then lamenting the inability to spend more money on better players.
That's practically our mantra.
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How do you know Kenny sees Enrique as a 3rd or 4th choice player? We've probably been scouting him for several games, and if we sign him its because Kenny thinks he'll improve the team not be 3rd/4th choice.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=44988.msg1338450#msg1338450 date=1306259646]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338421#msg1338421 date=1306257418]
Name one left back that we could sign for 7-8 mill £ that is better than Enrique?
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If there's no better left back, we shouldn't sign any. We'll survive without buying one. Add that money to buying a better quality player in another position.
[/quote]
Which is the exact point.
Continually spending good money on 3rd or 4th choice players who offer minute improvements on existing players and then lamenting the inability to spend more money on better players.
That's practically our mantra.
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How do you know Kenny sees Enrique as a 3rd or 4th choice player? We've probably been scouting him for several games, and if we sign him its because Kenny thinks he'll improve the team not be 3rd/4th choice.
Give up what?
Babel - 12 million, shit striker played at right wing.
Pennant - 7 million; shit, just shit.
Kuyt - 9 million; not so good as a striker even though that's where he scores from, played at right wing.
That's 28 million spent on Kuyt as our primary right winger.
Babel - 12 million, shit striker played at right wing.
Pennant - 7 million; shit, just shit.
Kuyt - 9 million; not so good as a striker even though that's where he scores from, played at right wing.
That's 28 million spent on Kuyt as our primary right winger.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=44988.msg1338450#msg1338450 date=1306259646]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338421#msg1338421 date=1306257418]
Name one left back that we could sign for 7-8 mill £ that is better than Enrique?
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If there's no better left back, we shouldn't sign any. We'll survive without buying one. Add that money to buying a better quality player in another position.
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Isnt that a bit "dim"? Starting the season with one natural left back in the squad. Aurelio is injured for 90% of the season, Konchesky will be sold and Insua is well just fat and slow.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44988.msg1338421#msg1338421 date=1306257418]
Name one left back that we could sign for 7-8 mill £ that is better than Enrique?
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If there's no better left back, we shouldn't sign any. We'll survive without buying one. Add that money to buying a better quality player in another position.
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Isnt that a bit "dim"? Starting the season with one natural left back in the squad. Aurelio is injured for 90% of the season, Konchesky will be sold and Insua is well just fat and slow.
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44988.msg1338464#msg1338464 date=1306260649]
Give up what?
Babel - 12 million, shit striker played at right wing.
Pennant - 7 million; shit, just shit.
Kuyt - 9 million; not so good as a striker even though that's where he scores from, played at right wing.
That's 28 million spent on Kuyt as our primary right winger.
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Errr. That's 9 million spent on Kuyt. Babel was signed as a left winger. A Pennant well, yes, he's fucking shite but how all that adds up to £28m Kuyt I dunno
Give up what?
Babel - 12 million, shit striker played at right wing.
Pennant - 7 million; shit, just shit.
Kuyt - 9 million; not so good as a striker even though that's where he scores from, played at right wing.
That's 28 million spent on Kuyt as our primary right winger.
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Errr. That's 9 million spent on Kuyt. Babel was signed as a left winger. A Pennant well, yes, he's fucking shite but how all that adds up to £28m Kuyt I dunno
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44988.msg1338464#msg1338464 date=1306260649]
Give up what?
Babel - 12 million, shit striker played at right wing.
Pennant - 7 million; shit, just shit.
Kuyt - 9 million; not so good as a striker even though that's where he scores from, played at right wing.
That's 28 million spent on Kuyt as our primary right winger.
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Yes, thats money spent badly. But I cant see the relevance tbh.
Spending 6-7 mill on a left back to play left back is another matter. And he's good aswell.
Give up what?
Babel - 12 million, shit striker played at right wing.
Pennant - 7 million; shit, just shit.
Kuyt - 9 million; not so good as a striker even though that's where he scores from, played at right wing.
That's 28 million spent on Kuyt as our primary right winger.
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Yes, thats money spent badly. But I cant see the relevance tbh.
Spending 6-7 mill on a left back to play left back is another matter. And he's good aswell.
If Coentrao is the best left back on the market this summer then I want us to sign him.
If he's not available I'd like us to sign the next best and so on.
If two players are basically just as good as each other, then I'd look at 'value'.
Even if we only add two 25m players every year this way, that'll do me.
If he's not available I'd like us to sign the next best and so on.
If two players are basically just as good as each other, then I'd look at 'value'.
Even if we only add two 25m players every year this way, that'll do me.
All three players were signed basically because we couldnt afford our first choice targets; which is fair enough but when it happens again and again you end up paying more money to replace the crap and more money just to shift them out like sending them on permanent loans.
I'm just saying that if you can't afford what you'd like, we should prioritize what we can get.
If LB is a priority deemed more important than say LW or midfield then get the best possible player in that position and then trust the existing squad to step up to fill the gaps elsewhere.
It's clear that we can't afford to plug all the holes, so why try to do it with average players and pray they perform?
I'm just saying that if you can't afford what you'd like, we should prioritize what we can get.
If LB is a priority deemed more important than say LW or midfield then get the best possible player in that position and then trust the existing squad to step up to fill the gaps elsewhere.
It's clear that we can't afford to plug all the holes, so why try to do it with average players and pray they perform?
Is he better than Konchesky? Yes
Is he better than Aurelio ? Yes because he's not perenially injured
Is he better than Flano ? Yes, at the moment as he has experience
Is he better than Robbo ? Yes, see Flano
Is he better than Glenjo ? Debatable really but GJ is a right back and also has fitness issues
Is he worth £10m ? No, is he fuck
Is he worth £5-6m ? Yes
Will he improve the team ? Given our current options - I'd say yes
Is he really what we want ? No
Is he better than Aurelio ? Yes because he's not perenially injured
Is he better than Flano ? Yes, at the moment as he has experience
Is he better than Robbo ? Yes, see Flano
Is he better than Glenjo ? Debatable really but GJ is a right back and also has fitness issues
Is he worth £10m ? No, is he fuck
Is he worth £5-6m ? Yes
Will he improve the team ? Given our current options - I'd say yes
Is he really what we want ? No
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44988.msg1338474#msg1338474 date=1306261156]
Is he better than Konchesky? Yes
Is he better than Aurelio ? Yes because he's not perenially injured
Is he better than Flano ? Yes, at the moment as he has experience
Is he better than Robbo ? Yes, see Flano
Is he better than Glenjo ? Debatable really but GJ is a right back and also has fitness issues
Is he worth £10m ? No, is he fuck
Is he worth £5-6m ? Yes
Will he improve the team ? Given our current options - I'd say yes
Is he really what we want ? No
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*Points to yes*
*Scratches head*
*Points to no*
Is he better than Konchesky? Yes
Is he better than Aurelio ? Yes because he's not perenially injured
Is he better than Flano ? Yes, at the moment as he has experience
Is he better than Robbo ? Yes, see Flano
Is he better than Glenjo ? Debatable really but GJ is a right back and also has fitness issues
Is he worth £10m ? No, is he fuck
Is he worth £5-6m ? Yes
Will he improve the team ? Given our current options - I'd say yes
Is he really what we want ? No
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*Points to yes*
*Scratches head*
*Points to no*
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