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Sturridge and his mental frailty

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Sturridge needs to get himself sorted out mentally. Granted this latest injury was probably unavoidable and real, but a player with his record of acquiring niggles and dropping out of squads soon becomes a negative for the whole team. It breeds neuroticism, with other players worrying about 'will he/won't he' be fit and ready for key games. According to Gerrard he was often despatched by Rodgers to try to talk Sturridge round after the player had declared himself not quite right before a game - and that was even in the season when the team was really flying. Top strikers are mentally and physically tough, and Daniel seems frail. It's a great pity because on his day he's fantastic, but Klopp can't take this team on with a first choice striker who's even more unsure about his fitness than Van Persie was at Arsenal. It just can't go on like this.
 
gkmacca said:
Sturridge needs to get himself sorted out mentally. Granted this latest injury was probably unavoidable and real, but a player with his record of acquiring niggles and dropping out of squads soon becomes a negative for the whole team. It breeds neuroticism, with other players worrying about 'will he/won't he' be fit and ready for key games. According to Gerrard he was often despatched by Rodgers to try to talk Sturridge round after the player had declared himself not quite right before a game - and that was even in the season when the team was really flying. Top strikers are mentally and physically tough, and Daniel seems frail. It's a great pity because on his day he's fantastic, but Klopp can't take this team on with a first choice striker who's even more unsure about his fitness than Van Persie was at Arsenal. It just can't go on like this.
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Isn't this what Hodgson said he must do for England and he promptly got himself injured?
 
He was denied the chance to follow the training schedule that was designed for him. No long full sprints or any such acivity the day after a game. The injury happened in such an exercise.

I'm surprised no one in the Liverpool set up has twatted Hodgson yet.
 
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He didn't get himself injured. That tw@t Hodgson and the England coaching team injured him by ignoring LFC's recommendations for how to train him. Up till then we had more or less stabilised him - since then he's never been the same.
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Here's what he said. It's from the Daily Fail, soz.:

The England manager said: 'Dan has pulled out of a few matches with us for injury reasons. The first game he played for me against the Republic of Ireland he got injured. It was important for me to, if you like, test his resolve a little bit.
'I might have been guilty of putting that resolve to the test but I don’t apologise for it.
'And I am delighted he did get out there, even though he maybe didn’t feel 100 per cent, because that means in future I will know I can trust him as an England player. He is not going to be playing when he feels like it, he is going to be playing when he’s fit to play.'
Reacting to the news that Sturridge will be out for up to two months, Hodgson added: 'I'd rather the players got injured now. We only played him because medical opinion told us.
'He had scans and there was nothing on them. I believe the injury that kept him out this last weekend was nothing to do with the initial injury he was complaining about after playing for Liverpool.
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So he's basically saying the same thing as Gerrard (and @gkmacca) that Sturridge tends to use any injury to pull out of matches. Crying wolf if you like. Except Sturridge was right when he was with England and got further injured - that's the problem with crying wolf all the time though.​
 
They're two different problems, as you say yourself.

And we'll never know whether or not the Studge would still be crying wolf now if Hodgson and his merry men hadn't messed him up.
 
Judge Jules said:
They're two different problems, as you say yourself.

And we'll never know whether or not the Studge would still be crying wolf now if Hodgson and his merry men hadn't messed him up.
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Very true.

The strange thing is the medical world seems to be pushing for pain free in sports. My physio told me if I feel pain then I should stop and they have this pain indicator scaled 1-10 (with smiley faces) but they never said at which level. Is it 1 where it's barely a scratch or closer to the higher numbers? It seems very subjective so if Studge has been told the same advice, who's to tell him when he should pull out of matches?
 
gkmacca said:
Sturridge needs to get himself sorted out mentally. Granted this latest injury was probably unavoidable and real, but a player with his record of acquiring niggles and dropping out of squads soon becomes a negative for the whole team. It breeds neuroticism, with other players worrying about 'will he/won't he' be fit and ready for key games. According to Gerrard he was often despatched by Rodgers to try to talk Sturridge round after the player had declared himself not quite right before a game - and that was even in the season when the team was really flying. Top strikers are mentally and physically tough, and Daniel seems frail. It's a great pity because on his day he's fantastic, but Klopp can't take this team on with a first choice striker who's even more unsure about his fitness than Van Persie was at Arsenal. It just can't go on like this.
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It's all God's will though Macca. Whatever the big man replies when 'Studge' ask him what to do, 'Studge' does. Not sure how that works when Klopp is asking God for him to be fit. It all becomes a bit confused when you involve a super-natural being.
 
The thing about Hodgson and that game was: he knew that Sturridge had an injury. And on the pitch in the second half you could see it - the player was practically hobbling by the hour mark. And Hodgson kept him on. It was an outrageous decision by him. Scandalous.

More generally with Sturridge: I can sympathise with him easily, as it's natural to be concerned about your fitness after experiencing bad injuries. We all know the change in Owen from sunny indomitability to gloomy neuroticism after his hamstring went at Elland Road. But Owen, to his credit, kept on playing through it. Studge seems sceptical of actually getting on the pitch. And, while there's no crime in feeling like that, you simply have to overcome that mental problem if you're going to become a genuinely top striker. Let's face it, most strikers are playing with knocks most games, especially in the second half of a season. But Sturridge seems to be one of those who has to feel completely okay before he makes himself available. And the rest of the team simply can't rely on someone like that. Imagine if we get to semi finals and finals or other key matches and everyone is fretting about whether Sturridge will be ready - it weakens the rest of the team mentally if that anxiety becomes a regular thing. The club's sent him off to get the right physical treatment, so now I guess it's down the positive thinking people to work with him. But if I was Klopp, looking forward to building a strong side, I'd already be uneasy about the character of the lad.
 
gkmacca said:
The thing about Hodgson and that game was: he knew that Sturridge had an injury. And on the pitch in the second half you could see it - the player was practically hobbling by the hour mark. And Hodgson kept him on. It was an outrageous decision by him. Scandalous.

More generally with Sturridge: I can sympathise with him easily, as it's natural to be concerned about your fitness after experiencing bad injuries. We all know the change in Owen from sunny indomitability to gloomy neuroticism after his hamstring went at Elland Road. But Owen, to his credit, kept on playing through it. Studge seems sceptical of actually getting on the pitch. And, while there's no crime in feeling like that, you simply have to overcome that mental problem if you're going to become a genuinely top striker. Let's face it, most strikers are playing with knocks most games, especially in the second half of a season. But Sturridge seems to be one of those who has to feel completely okay before he makes himself available. And the rest of the team simply can't rely on someone like that. Imagine if we get to semi finals and finals or other key matches and everyone is fretting about whether Sturridge will be ready - it weakens the rest of the team mentally if that anxiety becomes a regular thing. The club's sent him off to get the right physical treatment, so now I guess it's down the positive thinking people to work with him. But if I was Klopp, looking forward to building a strong side, I'd already be uneasy about the character of the lad.
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Where's Dr Peters when you need him? If ever there was someone who needed a little psychological help it would be Daniel. It must be hard though to trust your body when you are convinced you are one slip up away from another year out.
 
tony said:
Where's Dr Peters when you need him? If ever there was someone who needed a little psychological help it would be Daniel. It must be hard though to trust your body when you are convinced you are one slip up away from another year out.
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Peters is engaged on a voluntary basis - ie he's available if players want to use him. I'm not sure there are any real referrals going on. Sturridge may not feel he needs the help.
 
His mental frailty is going to get tested in another way soon. I can see Klopp going with Benteke up top and pushing Sturridge out as a wing forward, and he wont like that.
Rodgers always played him up top, I'm not sure that Klopp will.
 
My impression is that Klopp will be looking for mental strength and a strong team ethic in his players and will very quickly winnow out the less committed. It will be interesting to see how the team shape evolves particularly as his options have narrowed. Whether Studge will thrive is debatable.
 
He doesn't seem to have the same pathological desire that drove Owen, for instance. Sturridge seems to be the sort of person that feels he needs to have conditions exactly right for him to flourish, and that people should accommodate that. But as Macca says, you're going to get kicked and knocked about when you play up front. I remember Crouch showing a journalist his ankles two days after a game for us and they were black and blue. One of the main attributes for the best players is the mentality to keep throwing yourself into the thick of it.

I remember years ago when we beat Arsenal one nil (Camara scored), Gerrard was carrying a knock, but still dived in to prevent a goalscoring opportunity for Arsenal, despite knowing that it would likely do his groin in and he'd be out for weeks. There's a relentless desire from the best players to push themselves to achieve things, either on a personal or team level. Sturridge doesn't seem to have that.
 
(Sorry in advance Macca, allow me to quickly derail your thread here).

Came back on here to discuss the match in the match thread with Andy. I've made about 1 post in the last month or something and felt like continuing the discussion in there with him as he'd knocked up a decent reply.

But Ross locked the thread cos we were discussing the match. In the match thread. He locked it. And fuck knows where I'm supposed to go to discuss that now. I give up.

This place is fucking rubbish it really is.

Seeya.
 
I've created a post match thread & LTW has created a separate thread addressing the topic they were discussing.

Now let's leave this thread about sturridge & his fragile mind & bones.
 
It's remarkble that clubs could go through an entire season in the 60s, 70s and 80s using about 13 players. Those guys played through knocks and worse for the good of the team. Not sure why so many players are so fragile these days. Tackles were harder, pitches were worse, medical care was cursory in comparison, and yet the same guys turned out week after week. Odd.
 
Hrumph said:
It's remarkble that clubs could go through an entire season in the 60s, 70s and 80s using about 13 players. Those guys played through knocks and worse for the good of the team. Not sure why so many players are so fragile these days. Tackles were harder, pitches were worse, medical care was cursory in comparison, and yet the same guys turned out week after week. Odd.
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The standard of the game is less forgiving for a player who isn't operating at close to 100%.

That's my theory anyway.
 
It's miraculous considering how little training our physios had. There was the notorious time when Michael Thomas was injured, and Boersma came on and asked him to check it by stamping down hard. As poor Michael had actually ruptured his achilles, the scream echoed all around the stadium.
 
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