UK General Election 24/25

[dee]

Cap City/CEO salaries/bonuses

Why would this particular one help - surely the higher salaries/bonuses would bring in more tax revenue?

Also curious how you'd decide what constituted a salary/bonus to cap. As an occasional interim CTO I'm fine with just the CEO getting a pay cut

 

[dee]

Social Care is killing Local Government. The amount of people claiming social care is off the chart, and the cost of providing this service has sky-rocketed since 2020

Having just gone through the Social Care system with my Mother-in-law I was staggered at the costs of residential/nursing care. The cost for my MiL was £6.5k/month I think, covered by the local government after assessment. Staggering to think how many older people are being shifted out of hospitals and off the NHS as the hospital regime is tightened more an more to short-term care

 

[The Nomad]

Never in a million years would I vote Labour under Starmer..

Zionist Genocide supporting, Thatcherite Tory Enabling buffoon..

Politics much like the Media in this country is in the hands of right wing Zionist supporting pro Israel Lobby groups.

You have to laugh at right leaning Labour mouthpieces calling those disassociating themselves from the Labour party, Tory Enablers.. When these very people led a campaign against Corbyn at the last Election.

Politic is in an utter mess in this country... Independents or green for me..

Labour are abandoning core Labour Principles, core party members and aligning with current Tory Policies for shot at glory .. It clear labour are going to win the next election, however a whopping majority has to be stopped.. as they will just shift further to the right..

You will see a rise of independents at the next Election.. for sure..

Just like never in a million years would I vote for Labour under Corbyn.

We all have our views Jono.

 

[Richey]

Why would this particular one help - surely the higher salaries/bonuses would bring in more tax revenue?

Also curious how you'd decide what constituted a salary/bonus to cap. As an occasional interim CTO I'm fine with just the CEO getting a pay cut

We did have a bankers bonus cap but banks basically raised salaries instead, which didn't help matters because it meant that the banks had bigger costs every year, not only when the markets were good.

Not sure if any government anywhere has put in a cap on salaries in the private sector. Would be interesting to know if they have. I would guess though that it would probably be one of those things where the government would be constantly chasing it's tail in trying to enforce it as companies would find ways around it (especially so in financial services). As you say, probably better to make sure that high salaries remain taxable.

 

[dantes]

If you ruin the social fabric there's less clever people to hire, there's less disposable income coming into your business - in theory you're getting less added return on your money

So you believe they're leaving because they're making less money due to the state of society, but would not leave if they're making less money due to the rate of taxation. That would mean high net worth individuals think it's in their interests to pay more tax, because the government will use that tax to fix society, and they'll make more money in future. If you know any millionaires this stupid, tell them you're a Nigerian prince and the rest should take care of itself.

 

[dantes]

We did have a bankers bonus cap but banks basically raised salaries instead, which didn't help matters because it meant that the banks had bigger costs every year, not only when the markets were good.

Not sure if any government anywhere has put in a cap on salaries in the private sector. Would be interesting to know if they have. I would guess though that it would probably be one of those things where the government would be constantly chasing it's tail in trying to enforce it as companies would find ways around it (especially so in financial services). As you say, probably better to make sure that high salaries remain taxable.

Do you mean the banks self-identify the salaries as being higher? Fair enough. Of course the number itself is mathematically smaller.

"The average salary for Finance Associate is £45,106 per year in the London. The average additional cash compensation for a Finance Associate in the London is £4,705, with a range from £2,455 - £9,016. Salaries estimates are based on 156 salaries submitted anonymously to Glassdoor by Finance Associate employees in London. - glassdoor"

This is about half of what they earned in the same role twenty years ago, not even accounting for inflation. But if the £45k they're paying identifies as £450k, who are we to dead name the good old pound note.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Just like never in a million years would I vote for Labour under Corbyn.

We all have our views Jono.

Sadly some of the Labour blerts like to call us Tory enablers, the Hypocrisy stinks big time. As their was a movement in the Labour party alongside the Media, from what you would now call Starmerites to ensure Corbyn did not get elected PM at any costs.

It's now widely known its was those that where aligned typically with the 'Labour friends of Israel' values that also help to weaponise 'Anti Semitism' for anyone in the party that criticized Israel.

An ex Labourer Friends of Israel Director is now the new Right wing Israel Government Puppet.. replacing the compulsive liar and fellow genocide Appeaser Eylon Levy..

His recent statement says all you really need to know.. Another lying Genocide appeasing piece of shit.


View: https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1775148787637408103?t=s7Vdbp-vnsYr1fIvgna1Hw&s=19

As for Starmer himself he is just a Tory enabling Zionist Puppet I could never get on with..

 

[StevieM]

Sadly some of the Labour blerts like to call us Tory enablers, the Hypocrisy stinks big time. As their was a movement in the Labour party alongside the Media, from what you would now call Starmerites to ensure Corbyn did not get elected PM at any costs.

It's now widely known its was those that where aligned typically with the 'Labour friends of Israel' values that also help to weaponise 'Anti Semitism' for anyone in the party that criticized Israel.

An ex Labourer Friends of Israel Director is now the new Right wing Israel Government Puppet.. replacing the compulsive liar and fellow genocide Appeaser Eylon Levy..

His recent statement says all you really need to know.. Another lying Genocide appeasing piece of shit.


View: https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1775148787637408103?t=s7Vdbp-vnsYr1fIvgna1Hw&s=19

As for Starmer himself he is just a Tory enabling Zionist Puppet I could never get on with..

So, what you gonna do - hand the Tories another term in office?

 

[6TimesaRed]

So, what you gonna do - hand the Tories another term in office?

No vote to ensure Labour do not get the overall majority they are looking for... It will be incredibly damaging if they do. If any party does for that matter..

We have already had underhand tactics here where we have seen independent and greens majority ousted with the Tories and Labour forming a coalition with local councils.. So that's the danger here.. likewise we have seen this also in Scotland and Wales

But it only goes to show you Vote Labour, you get Tory

The a Two party system is fucked.. I am not going to vote for a party that goes against what I stand for.

Labour are Shadow of their former selves.. They are not the party for the working class and neither are the Tories.. That's for sure.

 

[StevieM]

No vote to ensure Labour do not get the overall majority they are looking for... It will be incredibly damaging if they do. If any party does for that matter..

We have already had underhand tactics here where we have seen independent and greens majority ousted with the Tories and Labour forming a coalition with local councils.. So that's the danger here.. likewise we have seen this also in Scotland and Wales

But it only goes to show you Vote Labour, you get Tory

The a Two party system is fucked.. I am not going to vote for a party that goes against what I stand for.

Labour are Shadow of their former selves.. They are not the party for the working class and neither are the Tories.. That's for sure.

I hate to tell you this, but a hung parliament likely means Labour would have to work more closely with a Tory Party that is lurching further and further to the right.

I don’t disagree on the two party system being broken, but I don’t know what you mean by “seen this also in Scotland”.

Scotland doesn’t use FPTP.

I don’t even know what “Tories and Labour forming a coalition with local councils” even means - I mean that’s like complaining you’re making a coalition with yourself?

Also - I don’t know what “Labour are a shadow of their former self” means - do you mean they’re electable by a majority of people in the UK as opposed to their former unelectable self?

I’m not saying Starmer or his version of the Labour is great - but it’s surely a step in the right direction - the UK isn’t a left leaning country and , for whatever reason you want to blame it on, it hasn’t been for a very long time.

Well, I should probably qualify that a little - England isn’t a left-leaning country, Scotland is more left leaning, Wales would appear to be more left leaning and politics in Norn Iron has very little to do with actual political ideology and more to do with the art of disagreeing.

 

[Richey]

I hate to tell you this, but a hung parliament likely means Labour would have to work more closely with a Tory Party that is lurching further and further to the right.

I doubt they would get to a point where they are relying on the Tories. In any situation like that, the Tories would remain in power (sort of) and there would be another election. Won't happen though, to be clear.

What Labour would have to do in the case of a small majority or a hung parliament is create a coalition with itself. That may sound silly, but it's no doubt something that Starmer would dread. There will still be a chunk of lefties and Corbynites in the parliamentary party after the election and only a big-ish Labour majority will allow Starmer to ignore them like Blair did

 

[StevieM]

I doubt they would get to a point where they are relying on the Tories. In any situation like that, the Tories would remain in power (sort of) and there would be another election. Won't happen though, to be clear.

What Labour would have to do in the case of a small majority or a hung parliament is create a coalition with itself. That may sound silly, but it's no doubt something that Starmer would dread. There will still be a chunk of lefties and Corbynites in the parliamentary party after the election and only a big-ish Labour majority will allow Starmer to ignore them like Blair did

I think this is entirely possible, given the amount of Tories who aren’t contesting the next election - looks like they know what’s coming - a big defeat.

I’m not sure what sort of shape the Tory’s are going to be in - Sunak and the like aren’t going to be in the slightest bit interested in being in opposition (if he doesn’t lose his seat - he’ll likely resign).

 

[Richey]

I think this is entirely possible, given the amount of Tories who aren’t contesting the next election - looks like they know what’s coming - a big defeat.

I’m not sure what sort of shape the Tory’s are going to be in - Sunak and the like aren’t going to be in the slightest bit interested in being in opposition (if he doesn’t lose his seat - he’ll likely resign).

Sunak won't lose his seat but he won't stay on as leader either.

He might stay on as an MP, but I doubt that too.

You're right about the MPs standing down. Why waste time and effort campaigning for months if you're either gonna lose or end up in opposition.

 

[StevieM]

Sunak won't lose his seat but he won't stay on as leader either.

He might stay on as an MP, but I doubt that too.

You're right about the MPs standing down. Why waste time and effort campaigning for months if you're either gonna lose or end up in opposition.

Didn’t that poll at the weekend suggest Sunak’s seat might be ultra marginal - the longer he stays in power the worse he seems to look.

 

[dee]

I’m not saying Starmer or his version of the Labour is great - but it’s surely a step in the right direction - the UK isn’t a left leaning country and , for whatever reason you want to blame it on, it hasn’t been for a very long time.

Well, I should probably qualify that a little - England isn’t a left-leaning country, Scotland is more left leaning, Wales would appear to be more left leaning and politics in Norn Iron has very little to do with actual political ideology and more to do with the art of disagreeing.

Over the last 50 years Labour have only been electable when they are positioned with Centre-Left policies and the Tories lacked a credible leader. This is the best opportunity since Blair to actually govern instead of continuous 'opposition'.

As you say that's where the nation is. There is no desire for policies beyond the centre Left and even then it's grudging. If you wind back to 50 years ago that's when you'll find the population moving away from identifying as working class or collar colour. I'll lay odds most people under thirty couldn't define Working Class and certainly wouldn't wear the label with pride.

 

[dee]

Didn’t that poll at the weekend suggest Sunak’s seat might be ultra marginal - the longer he stays in power the worse he seems to look.

Yepp - Tories with about 90 seats and several of the 'big guns' out of a job. Very reminiscent of 1997 just with Scotland dominated by the nationalist this time

 

[Richey]

Didn’t that poll at the weekend suggest Sunak’s seat might be ultra marginal - the longer he stays in power the worse he seems to look.

Yes, but in reality things do tend to tighten up a bit when a campaign starts, added to the fact that opposition parties are not likely to be able to put enough resources everywhere. Seats are very very rarely won on just national campaigns.

 

[dee]

The Survation survey put Labour on 45%, with the Tories on 26%.

Converted to seats:

Party	Seats	Change
Conservatives	98	-267
Labour	468	+265
Scottish Nationalists	41	-7
Liberal Democrats	22	+11
Plaid Cymru	2	-2

Sunak is in danger of losing his own constituency, the new Richmond and Northallerton seat in North Yorkshire, as his lead over Labour is just 2.4%.

 

[Richey]

Sure, it's possible but personally I don't see it.

There was a similar poll today which gave the Tories something like 155 seats and as I said, not only do polls tighten a bit when a campaign starts, you have to consider what work is done locally too. There will be more winnable seats in that area where Labour will be putting their resources in.

Don't get me wrong, Labour will almost certainly win overall, but I don't think Sunak will be losing his seat.

 

[StevieM]

Sure, it's possible but personally I don't see it.

There was a similar poll today which gave the Tories something like 155 seats and as I said, not only do polls tighten a bit when a campaign starts, you have to consider what work is done locally too. There will be more winnable seats in that area where Labour will be putting their resources in.

Don't get me wrong, Labour will almost certainly win overall, but I don't think Sunak will be losing his seat.

He keeps fucking up and comes across as a smarmy twat who doesn’t care or even know what he’s doing, content to use slogans that played well in a focus group rather than actually achieving anything - which is, admittedly, an improvement on Truss.

He consistently looks weak and indecisive.

 

[Athens]

I preferred Boris.

 

[Woland]

It's pretty mad that twenty odd percent of the country still support these cunts. What they didn't steal they ruined with incompetence. Scum.

 

[Richey]

He keeps fucking up and comes across as a smarmy twat who doesn’t care or even know what he’s doing, content to use slogans that played well in a focus group rather than actually achieving anything - which is, admittedly, an improvement on Truss.

He consistently looks weak and indecisive.

Granted. But even Truss is extremely likely to get reelected in her constituency (I assume she is standing again, I haven't checked). I mean, she's essentially a national laughing stock now, but even these kind of polls now give her a fairly healthy majority.

Exactly why, I can't explain. I don't live in an area that is historically really solidly Tory or really solidly Labour. My guess is though that just as there are people who will never ever vote Tory, there are also many people who have never voted Labour and never would (and if Blair didn't change their mind, I doubt Starmer would).

Also, there is often something about high profile MPs that gives them a few more percentage points. Again, I don't totally get this, and it doesn't always work that way, but it seems to be the case.

 

[Woland]

I'm defo not aligned with Labour anymore but I'll defo vote for them because the system is a mess and it's the only way to remove this mafia.

 

[Brizzle]

Spoken like a true Daily Mailer. No high earner will leave the country if they're forced to pay more tax. They'll still be creaming it in. Where are they going to go instead? France, Germany, US? As if.

I'd challenge that, as there is a huge amount of high earners who start their careers in London, having studied in the UK as an overseas / international student. If the market for earnings looks less favourable, they would very easily move to other countries to start their careers.

 

[Brizzle]

My role in this GE as a resident of Dominic Raab's constituency is to ensure his replacement is massively beaten by the Lib Dems

 

[Richey]

My role in this GE as a resident of Dominic Raab's constituency is to ensure his replacement is massively beaten by the Lib Dems

The poll that came out yesterday suggests that Raab's replacement needn't even bother to show up. The Lib Dems will win it easily. Not even close.

 

[Brizzle]

The poll that came out yesterday suggests that Raab's replacement needn't even bother to show up. The Lib Dems will win it easily. Not even close.

Yep - it was trending that way before he announced that he wasn't going to run. The marketing of the new guy is hilarious - they have branded his fliers orange.

 

[Athens]

@Bradley has a story from their school days about his MP...

 

[Woland]

Raab will end up with a cosy little BBC2 series about military history or farming as part of his psychopath rehabilitation programme.