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Mcmoneyman is still a bitter isn't he? even though he appears on lfc tv.
If he was 21 he'd be worth a punt for 10m because he could improve and then be sold on. If we sign him at 26 then he'll not be worth much in 4 years. He's English too so we'd overpay and then have to play the fucker.
If he was available for 10 million in the summer Rodgers would be all over that.
Don't know the figure that Saints would sell at but it would be a big suprise if it was less than 20 mill.
Don't know the figure that Saints would sell at but it would be a big suprise if it was less than 20 mill.
I think Lallana would probably prove to be a major mistake. He's nearly 26 and has had one properly notable season in his whole career. This is probably as good as it gets for him, and even then it would only last for a couple more years. Plus he's never played for a big club so there's no guarantee of him adapting to the step up. Plus he'd cost a fortune. Plus there are plenty of similar foreign players we could sign for half the price.
Good player but no thanks.
Good player but no thanks.
Ah, so you think he's a potential lallana skin then.
This is only his second season in the PL, he could have been playing in it earlier but for his loyalty, there is no guarantee of him adapting but theres no evidence that he wouldn't adapt, if anything the evidence points to him being fine with adapting, hes taken to the PL like a duck to water and doesn't look out of place or overawed in an England shirt.
The fee is the only real turn off otherwise i think he would be an very good asset for us, hes definately a Rodgers type player.
The fee is the only real turn off otherwise i think he would be an very good asset for us, hes definately a Rodgers type player.
Robbie Fowler was never, ever a bluenose. Maybe you're thinking of Owen, whose dad played for them. Agree otherwise.
I can only go on what I've read:
Goal: Back to the slightly colder surroundings that are Merseyside for a moment; is it true you were a boyhood Everton fan? How did that square with playing for the Reds?
RF: When I was very young I used to watch them but I was at Liverpool when I was 11 years old – I’ve been a Liverpool fan from then on. Obviously I grew up watching very, very good Everton sides but I always knew deep down Liverpool were a better team.
Goal: Jamie Carragher mentioned in his autobiography that he left Melwood to join the Everton ranks on a couple of occasions in his teen years. As a boyhood Evertonian, did you ever do the same or feel the urge?
RF: Before I was 14 years old I had a chance to sign for Everton but being at Liverpool, I was quite a loyal lad and because they had raised me I just didn’t want to jump ship. At that time it would have been easier to get into the Everton first team but I stuck to my guns and am happy with decision I made!
http://www.goal.com/en/news/808/australia/2009/03/27/1177288/exclusive-robbie-fowler-interview
Fair point about his apparent adaptability.
I just think it's the type of signing you'd struggle to get any kind of value from. He's right at the top of his game, right at the peak of his career, and probably going to be coming off the world cup. It's one of those uber-expensive flavour of the month type signings Chelsea and City made at their worst: a James Milner, Lescott, Scott Parker, or SWP.
Then you need to read it more carefully. Nowhere there does he say he was an Everton fan.
Well he pretty much implies it though, doesn't he?
Personally I've always thought it was common knowledge that he was an Everton fan, so often did I hear it said back then.
OK, you're right.
Actually, Modo, I owe you an apology. I had thought that, as that excerpt suggests, as a very young boy he was taken along to Everton games by family members without actually being a fan of theirs directly, but I've just dug his book out and he says in there that he was. Fair cop.
good points. well argued.
I wouldn't want us to sign him for the price Saints would want and i agree about flavour of the month signings, though the comparison to those players is harsh, Lallana is way more talented than those examples, someone with his blatent ability isn't a flavour of the month, hes arguably Englands most technically gifted player.
Also the age thing, 25/26 years old, i see no issue with signing players that age.
I don't think it's an either/or thing. He's a quality player *and* flavour of the month.
As were all those others, btw, at least to some degree. All of them were good enough over a short period to attract the sort of praise Lallana is now receiving.
The age thing is only important compared to the price you pay. It just so happens that in that regard I think 26 is a particularly bad age, in that you pay just as much (if not more) than a 21 year old, but have 5 years less service from them. At least with a 28 or 29 year old the price has usually started to come down quite a bit.
It's the flavour of the month tag that worries me about him. Quite recently it was AndrosTownsend. There still is a fear of the Downing and Carroll-- you overpay for ordinary English players who have just had one good season. No thanks, we have our own Suso and possibly Teixera to call upon.
In Henderson, Allen, Sturridge, Sterling, Gerrard and a couple others we have more than enough homegrown talent so for now there is no need to overpay for English players.
I'm inclined to agree more with Peter who expanded on my earlier post. From the comfort of my armchair, Lallana doesn't seem worth the risk at the price he's surely going to command. Perhaps those in the game know him as a person and can see him stepping up with ease, which might make it worth it... who knows. If it was me, I wouldn't take the gamble though. We don't need to.
I'm inclined to agree more with Peter who expanded on my earlier post. From the comfort of my armchair, Lallana doesn't seem worth the risk at the price he's surely going to command. Perhaps those in the game know him as a person and can see him stepping up with ease, which might make it worth it... who knows. If it was me, I wouldn't take the gamble though. We don't need to.
I think we need to stop being so "ageist".
26 is not that old nowadays. The modern day footballer can play top level football well into his thirties.
Did we not buy Garcia when he was 26?
How old was Kenny when we bought him?
His age isn't the problem for me, it's more the fact that they'll want a great deal of money for him.
Also, if they put a £25 million price tag on him, I'd rather save £10 million and buy Konoplyanka or Yarmolenko considering that we need wingers.
I'd also rather put my faith in Suso and Teixeira and not stifle their progress.
26 is not that old nowadays. The modern day footballer can play top level football well into his thirties.
Did we not buy Garcia when he was 26?
How old was Kenny when we bought him?
His age isn't the problem for me, it's more the fact that they'll want a great deal of money for him.
Also, if they put a £25 million price tag on him, I'd rather save £10 million and buy Konoplyanka or Yarmolenko considering that we need wingers.
I'd also rather put my faith in Suso and Teixeira and not stifle their progress.
Well personally I always try to stress that age is only important in terms of value for money. I've got no problem buying at 26+ per se. But for a long time I think players aged 18-24 and 30-34 have been much better value than those in between, and that hasn't really shown much sign of changing.
As a very rough rule of thumb, I'd say a top class attacking player should cost you around £3m per season, or £30m for 10 years' service. That's about what Hazard will cost Chelsea. You might get 5 good years from Lallana at about £5m a year, and he's certainly not in Hazard's class.
So I reckon he's 'worth' about £10-12m, which as you say, we'd obviously never get him for.
I don't think he's worth signing personally.
For me, Southampton is a club with very average players across the board. It just happens that their play style really appeals to the limited abilities of their players, making them look better than they actually are.
Stoke does the same thing essentially, it just happens that the league has had several years to adapt to facing their style of play, so it's not nearly as effective.
For me, Southampton is a club with very average players across the board. It just happens that their play style really appeals to the limited abilities of their players, making them look better than they actually are.
Stoke does the same thing essentially, it just happens that the league has had several years to adapt to facing their style of play, so it's not nearly as effective.
Very fucking true. Except Shaw. That kid is gonna be big.
Its not often you get that much wrongness in one post, but there it is.
How is that post very fucking true?
You misunderstood the question, doesn't matter.
I know, just needed a reason to post that gif.
Because I saw this during the game:
- Psst Jordan....[Points].....Shaw....
LOL.
He's like a restaurant manager trying to discreetly tell one of his waiters to remove that fly from a customer's soup before he notices.
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