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Who improves our first team?

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I'll try not to be all jinxy and gloating like we're the greatest team of all time, but they touched on this in the discussion on sky after the game yesterday.

Say we have no outgoings, who could we realistically buy to improve that first team?

We can't buy a better keeper, fullback, CB better than Virgil and players better than the front 3 as a unit. There's an argument as to whether we could get a better DM out there, probably not.

So that leaves a CB partner for Virgil (don't really need one), or maybe upgrades on GW or Hendo? And Klopp sees Hendo as absolutely invaluable to the club and first team for other things. So really we could only buy 1 player in world football to improve our first team?!? Wtf. How did we get here.

There are some players out there that are better, e.g Mbappe, De Bruyne etc, but they're just unobtainable.

Are we going to end up being in a nightmare situation in a few years time like what Souness walked into as they'll all be knocking on and need replacing en-masse?
 
This is why our recruitment should be focused on the most skilful kids in the world, ones who don't mind working in the background for a couple of years and having sleepovers with Mo Farah's fitness team once a fortnight.
 
This feels like a re-run of the discussion in the transfer thread. The ‘correct’ answer is to continue to target potential in the 16/17 teenagers like Elliott and serious back ups in the 22-24 yo range for Klopp to groom as replacement first teamers like Miniminho
 
Like you say the ones who would improve our team are players way out of reach.

We need to add to the squad in certain areas.

Other things need to be worked on in training, like Mo's finishing or Robbo being able to keep the ball better under pressure.
 
Like you say the ones who would improve our team are players way out of reach.

We need to add to the squad in certain areas.

Other things need to be worked on in training, like Mo's finishing or Robbo being able to keep the ball better under pressure.
Really... really????? Those things need to be worked on? No supporter needs to be saying that about this team. You'd have to be part of a team thats won 91 out of 93 points to earn the right to say stuff like this about this team and its players. I've not a single bad word to say about Mo. He has still found a way to score loads despite not being clinical often. Thats a strength not a weakness!! As he gets intk clinical form often enough. And Robbo? The best left back in the world.....
 
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2 months ago I would have said that one place in our midfield is up for grabs.
I still think a player like KDB would walk into our team, problem is, for who?
 
i don’t think the first XI needs immediate attention but the squad definitely does, especially with the ACN.

it’s definitely not a doom and gloom scenario but there’s probably 2 or 3 leaving we could do with replacing
 
I think it is adding depth to the squad. Get those who are, or will be better, than our bench options.

Milner despite his contract extension, is 34. Are we banking on him to deputise at LB and 'wait' for a young LB to develop?
Clyne (28) and Lallana (31) will probably leave
Will Lovren (30) stay?
Shaqiri's (28) future with us looks bleak.
Ox and Keita's luck with injuries are a concern
Salah and Mane are 28 while Firmino, Henderson and Gini are 29.

It definitely makes sense to start planning ahead, inc. weighing the pros and cons of keeping young players like Williams and Hoever as deputies or loan them out for development (e.g. Brewster would be better off going out on loan rather than 'making up numbers' earlier this season).
 
Those are the players that need replacing or easing out of the club. We need better and more reliable than keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Shaqiri. We need suitable deputies at left and right back.

Looking further ahead we already have minamino and should be focusing on replacing Salah and Manè inside 3 seasons.
 
By buying true capable back ups in some key positions we could ensure that our best players are able to rest when needed and raise the overall performance output rather than at times when we see the team in cruise control as they are managing energy etc.

The obvious areas of weakness depth wise are full back and wide forward however we are in a position where we have players like Elliot & Williams who aren't far off being trusted to fill these roles.

Hard problem to address in a way.
 
How much time should we give for new signings to make an impact or improve the team? He's in week 3 of signing for us but Minamino has yet to make his Prem debut (understandably so) and has only had 70+ minutes in the FA Cup so far and Shaq's absence has been barely noticed.
 
How much time should we give for new signings to make an impact or improve the team? He's in week 3 of signing for us but Minamino has yet to make his Prem debut (understandably so) and has only had 70+ minutes in the FA Cup so far and Shaq's absence has been barely noticed.
Fab & Robbo both took 3 months before they started to settle.
 
It is all about squads these days, so you need a strong option to rival hendo and gini, a back-up for robbo, and someone better than origi who can step in and give a rest to the forwards.
As of now, Gomez is doing fine.
 
I'd like to see the following brought in, no idea who though.

LB cover, RB cover (Although that may be Williams), and genuine competition for the front 3, Timo Werner is being touted for half the price of Jadon Sancho, that looks like smart money.
 
I am leaning towards Havertz again. His attacking output has diminished so far this term, but I have no doubt he would find a new level under Klopp. We have no player like him – someone with Ozil's speed and elegance multiplied by far greater work ethic and versatility. He could slot in for any of the front 3 or perform any of the midfield roles with enough energy and tactical intelligence that Klopp requires; a quality addition that will undoubtedly improve us.

Here are a couple of latest articles. BTW the stats they use need to be updated, he just added a goal and assist in the last game.
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Liverpool: The Verdict on the Reds’ interest in Kai Havertz

by Jonathan Radcliffe

19/1/2020 | 07:50pm
Liverpool have been linked with Kai Havertz once again in the last few days.

Reports back in December claimed the Reds had held talks with the 20-year-old’s representatives, and the latest news suggests the Anfield outfit could lodge a club-record bid of €125m (£107m) for the Germany international (German media via Mundo Deportivo). It seems to be a transfer rumour that will rumble on and on until the Bayer Leverkusen man chooses his next club.

He has not been in such great form this term, managing just two goals and one assist in 14 Bundesliga matches prior to their winter break, but last season he registered 17 strikes and four lay-offs in 34 games respectively.
Would he be a good signing for the Reds? We asked four of our writers to give their verdicts.

Vijievan Jeevathayalan
“Having seen Emre Can fall by the wayside and end up joining Juventus, Jurgen Klopp would likely relish the chance to work with another German talent in Kai Havertz. The 52-year-old showed in his time as Borussia Dortmund manager that he can help take players to the next level – just look at how Mario Gotze, Mats Hummels and Ilkay Gundogan all eventually earned high-profile moves to the likes of Bayern Munich and Manchester City respectively. Havertz’s stumbles this season at Bayer Leverkusen – he has managed just three goals compared to when he scored 20 times last year – proves he is still in need of some vital learning. And who better to provide him with that than Klopp? The Liverpool boss has developed the likes of Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah into players who have just finished in the top five of the most recent Ballon d’Or rankings. Still only 20, Havertz could grow into a superstar under Klopp.”

Domagoj Kostanjsak
“To me, this looks like the signing that would finally fill the void left by Philippe Coutinho a couple of years back. Kai Havertz is one of the top young talents in the world at the moment and brings about pace, technical prowess and creativity, as evidenced by his average of 2.4 key passes per game. But the problem is, Liverpool have already moved on from Coutinho, and don’t seem to need someone to fill in the attacking-midfielder or a no.10 role anymore. A world-record fee for someone who wouldn’t necessarily have a defined place in the team doesn’t seem like good business to me. Jurgen Klopp could alter the system to accommodate him but I don’t see that happening either since the current one is now a well-oiled machine.”

James Beavis
“f Jurgen Klopp is looking for another player who will fit into his philosophy at Liverpool, he should look no further than Kai Havertz. The German manager clearly likes players with the right attitude who are willing to do everything they can on the pitch to help the team, and an interview the Bayer Leverkusen youngster did last year on Bundesliga.com suggests he would fit in perfectly under Klopp.

“He said: “I often take on responsibility, but I’m okay with that. It’s a different kind of pressure. People maybe see you a bit differently and if you play badly, which is normal every now and then as a young player, you’re criticised a bit more, but that’s normal and I think I can deal with that pressure.”

And he would certainly be under pressure to succeed should he join Liverpool for a world-record fee, but the signs are that the 20-year-old has a maturity beyond his years, and is willing to step up and take on extra responsibility even given his age. The pressure at Anfield wouldn’t only come from the potential price tag either, and he would be expected to perform to a high standard consistently if he wanted to be a regular in the starting XI for a club who intend to dominate in both the Premier League and the Champions League. 31 goals and 23 assists in 126 matches for Leverkusen to date shows the potential is there.

Jack Saville
“Liverpool’s imperious form in the Premier League since the beginning of the 2017/18 campaign has been enthralling to witness but it won’t continue indefinitely if the club fail to make the right moves in the transfer market. While Jurgen Klopp’s heavy metal brand of football is working to devastating effect right now, eventually his tactical approach will turn stale if he fails to tweak his system accordingly.

“As a natural number ten Kai Havertz is not a player who slots into the current side, but with Marko Grujic set to return in the summer and Fabinho established as the Mascherano-Alonso hybrid Liverpool have always dreamed of, the Bundesliga star could be the perfect candidate to operate at the highest point of a three man midfield next season. Financially speaking, the alleged money involved is a huge gamble for Michael Edwards but the signings of Virgil van Dijk and Alisson prove high risk equals high reward.”

Player Analysis: Bundesliga wonderkid Kai Havertz

Vishnu Anandraj 20/01/2020

The Bundesliga has produced some of the most prodigious talents in European football and Kai Havertz has become the next youth sensation from the German talent machine.
At 20-years of age, Havertz has already established himself as one of the best players in the Bundesliga and commanded interest from the likes of Bayern Munich, Manchester United, Liverpool, Manchester City, and Barcelona.

Often times, the talent of young players can be grossly exaggerated and they can attract unwarranted interest from top European sides. But this isn’t the case with 20-year-old Havertz. In nearly four years of Bundesliga football, Havertz has shown a level of talent and consistency that merits attention from football’s elite clubs.
For such a young player, his output in terms of goals and assists is remarkable. He already has 102 Bundesliga appearances to his name, in which time he has racked up 26 goals and 17 assists, meaning Havertz averages an impressive 0.42 goal involvements per game. Within the context of four managerial changes and just one Champions League finish in his time at Leverkusen, these numbers are all the more eye catching.
Havertz has played a variety of roles for Leverkusen over the past few seasons, featuring as a number six, number eight, right-winger, and even as a false nine. However, he has performed best as a number ten or as an eight with the license to push forward and dictate the course of games.
This has been the German’s role since the appointment of Peter Bosz last season, playing in a 4-3-3 as a free-roaming central midfielder with the screening presence of Charles Aranguiz behind him. With a style focused on possession and building through the thirds, Bosz provided Havertz with a high degree of creative license and encourages him to swap positions with the forwards. It led to the German international scoring 17 Bundesliga goals last campaign and cementing himself as one of the league’s best players.
This season, however, Havertz has failed to replicate the same output. The departure of Julian Brandt and an arduous first half of the season for the club as a whole has led to the Aachen born youngster scoring just twice.
While this is a significant drop-off, the underlying numbers suggest that Havertz is performing just as well – if not better – than last season. In the 18/19 season, Havertz scored 17 goals from an expected goals tally of 11.99, suggesting he should have scored fewer goals based on the shots he took.
This season, he has scored twice from an expected goals figure of 2.81, while his expected assists has increased from 0.09 last season to 0.25. He has also maintained a pass accuracy of 87% and averaged 2.4 key passes per 90 and 2.0 successful dribbles per game, both of which are significant improvements from last season. Havertz has not stagnated, and clubs shouldn’t be dissuaded by his lower goals tally.
Furthermore, many of Havertz’s best attributes are not reflected in statistics. His movement both on and off the ball are superb; as he excels at finding space in the channels, in between the lines, or out wide to affect play.
His ability to execute chipped passes, crosses, and through balls combined with his range of passing mean that once he finds space, Havertz is often able to find a teammate further forward.
Alternatively, his movement allows him to arrive in prime goal-scoring positions where his 6’2” frame and finishing ability enables him to dispatch chances.
With such a well-developed repertoire at a young age, it’s no surprise that Havertz is attracting attention from a number of world-class teams.
His most likely destination is Bayern Munich, given that they have a tendency of signing the best young German talents within the Bundesliga. However, the likes of Manchester United, PSG, Liverpool, Real Madrid, and Chelsea all have the financial resources to acquire him.
In terms of tactical system, Barcelona or Manchester City would be the most sensible destination for the German. Both Quique Setien and Pep Guardiola utilize a tactical system with several similarities to that of Bayer Leverkusen’s; such as playing two attack-minded central midfielders in a 4-3-3, allowing a high degree of positional fluidity in attack, and encouraging the midfield players to supply the forwards with direct, penetrative passes along the ground. With David Silva leaving City at the end of the season and Barcelona’s midfield appearing ponderous at times this term, it could be a suitable move for both parties.
Havertz is a truly exciting prospect. He combines the technical ability of a traditional playmaker with dynamism, intelligent movement, and an eye for goal. In the era of pressing, possession-based football, Havertz is the prototypical number ten of the future.
With his contract running out in 2022, it is likely that his time at Bayer Leverkusen will soon come to a close. Securing his signature will no doubt be a top priority for clubs across Europe.
 
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Even though we have a reasonably settled side I think its pointless talking about first XIs these days as its very much a squad game. And there are very obvious holes in the squad that need looking at. CAM is one obvious weakness, its why Klopp has signed Minamino, Ox, Keita, Shaq but none of them has really got the role down yet for a variety of reasons.

The other way we can improve is by adding different tactical options, I think there are times when we could use a more orthodox direct central striker but that woukd shift more creative onus onto midfield which we really dont have. If we were to sign say Havertz and Werner it would give us the flexibility to play a number of different formations that we dont have the personnel for now.
 
Werner looks like a good bet. I think there is some concern over Keita, but if MM kicks on and does well then I think Klopp will tolerate a bit part roles from the injury brothers Keita and Ox. Furthermore, I think Klopp will give a real chance to Curtis Jones and Elliot to prove they can step up.
 
If Lallana is going and with Milner getting on, we need another midfielder as Keita keeps getting injured just as he is getting good.
 
On this team it's more about how they fit together rather than how good they individually add, especially true in midfield, where you hardly think of any of our midfielders as "world class", but as a unit it's damn impressive.

Could we find a better goalie? who knows. Alisson has fit in fantastic, but we have seen Adrian come in and go 8-0-0 in the league and win the Supercup, so GK is hardly a top position for us, in terms of need.

I think VVD, Robbo and Arnold are the best at what they do and how they fit our system, so i don't see us doing better with anyone else. The fact Gomez/Matip are so interchangeable shows me we could, if we wanted, go out there and find someone to replace them. Not that i want to.

I love Fabinho, but i would probably take Kante ahead of him. Hendo/Gini is where it gets tricky and i truly don't know what to think, because i don't think of either as a "superstar name", but rather key pieces in our midfield machine. Someone mentioned KDB, and he is otherwordly, but he would not fit into our midfield because Hendo/Gini's role is so much different than his skillset as a creator.

Up front, there is no one i'd take over Mane and Bobby, but i'd happily take Mbappe over Salah on the RW, and as i've said before, if i had to let one of the front 3 go to refresh the team, Mo is the one i'd let go without an issue, assuming his replacement was of equal / similar quality.
 
eventually his tactical approach will turn stale if he fails to tweak his system accordingly.

That's what I was going to say.

It's hard to look past what we have now given how things are going but it'd be naive to think that what is working so well now will continue to work just as well in 12 months or even 6 months time. The other teams will adapt, learn and improve. We need to as well.

The first team has been worked to death over the last 18 months or so and needs a bit of a refresh (particularly with the stupid AFCON coming up) to allow for some rotation and keep everyone honest.

As an aside, anyone know / remember to what extent Klopp rotated at Dortmund? At times I wonder whether the lack of rotation or even sub activity during games is down to lack of faith in current options or not.

Defence

I think this summer it's time to let Lovren go. It's a shame because if he could stay fit, he'd be a brilliant 3rd / 4th choice CB. 31 in the summer and a year left on his contract. Tricky spot to buy for though.

We need to do something about the fullback position. I don't know how Hoever and Williams are viewed in the club and whether Klopp et al think they're good enough and ready to promote properly but if the answer is to continue playing Gomez or Milner at fullback when pressed then we need to buy.

Central Midfield

This is one of the key areas to look at in the summer. Fabinho, Gini, Henderson and Milner have all proven their worth but with an average age hitting 30 in a very demanding system they need a bit of help. Ox seems to be a favourite of Klopp but for me he's very hit and miss and Keita still can't quite get it together.

Everyone knows how dangerous we are from wide positions right now. It'd be good add some genuine attacking quality into the middle just to be able to mix things up more. Hard to see us spending 100M on a player like Havertz but someone like him or Aouar would be good.

Forwards

Mane, Firmino and Salah are all undisputed first choice players but we need to be able to rotate and right now it's a struggle. Origi is a B player, Shaq is perma-crocked and potentially a candidate to leave, which leaves Minamino who hopefully justifies the fanfare. We need another really good player to come in with age on his side. Werner seems to fit the bill but can't help but feel that ship has sailed.
 
With Keita and MM there is no way we're in for Havertz. It just doesn't make any sense.

Werner however is a different matter completely and I could see him rotating in as part of the front three.

Well, if you think we only need one #10 in the team then yes, but the truth is with modern hard-working, physically robust #10's you can stick them pretty much anywhere on the pitch and you can almost never have too many. At the moment we have maybe 5 who could be described as "natural #10's": Firmino, Ox, Minamino, Lallana and Shaqiri – if the last 2 won't be here next season, there is certainly room for one more, particularly if it's someone as pacy as Havertz who could, and does, play on the wing.

I think Keita is in a different category – he's a hybrid of a deep-lying playmaker and a DM, not a 10. Him and Havertz could complement each other as part of the midfield 3 or the attacking unit in general, since Keita is a ball magnet/metronome and Havertz is someone who will roam the pitch non-stop and make runs without the ball for 90 minutes. Keita is at his best driving with the ball forward and playing the pass before the assist; Havertz is masterful at finding pockets of space and providing a decisive quality touch – goal or assist.
 
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As an aside, anyone know / remember to what extent Klopp rotated at Dortmund? At times I wonder whether the lack of rotation or even sub activity during games is down to lack of faith in current options or not.

Similar to what he does here – some rotation in midfield; rest of the team pretty stable. In his 4-2-3-1 there were usually 4 "senior" central midfielders competing/rotating for the 2 spots and maybe 4 attacking midfielders of roughly equal stature (let's say Reus, Kuba, Kagawa and Grosskreutz) competing/rotating through the 3 available spots.

Thinking about Dortmund for a minute just made me realize that at some point last year this LFC team has decisively passed them as the best team Klopp has even coached/created. They were such a world-class talent-packed group, full of endeavor and passion and executing a clear and daring tactical idea – all neutrals seemed to be in love with them and for good reason. Even 12 months ago, I honestly couldn't say we're better than Klopp's Dortmund at its peak; now it's quite obviously so.
 
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If Lallana is going and with Milner getting on, we need another midfielder as Keita keeps getting injured just as he is getting good.
We do have Grujic and Wilson to return too. Whether they get a chance or are sold on is an open question.
 
We do have Grujic and Wilson to return too. Whether they get a chance or are sold on is an open question.
Sell them, if we can get £60m-£70m for the pair, it would be decent business. Werner and Grealish and an LB. Outgoing Shaq, Wilson, and Grujic
 
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