Arf. Once on TalkSport they were asking for good football jokes. so I e-mailed one into the studio from "Jules, a Liverpool fan" and they also asked if it was from a he or a she. ;D
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
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the_khl
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[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344323#msg1344323 date=1307391071]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45634.msg1344328#msg1344328 date=1307391427]
"I tell you all, Agger will play a full season injury free. I speak truth"
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Haha...
"I tell you all, Agger will play a full season injury free. I speak truth"
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Haha...
I'd be happy with skrtel as the main back up cb. But after playing every game last season, would he be happy with that?
And I don't think I want scott dann either.
And I don't think I want scott dann either.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344511#msg1344511 date=1307433603]
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344323#msg1344323 date=1307391071]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[/quote]
All while you're content to keep Daniel "15 games a season" Agger on the payroll, just on the off chance that after 5 seasons of being injury plagued he'll suddenly put it all behind him and stop moaning every time he's not thrown straight back in the team after a lengthy layoff.
No one's being a keyboard warrior, people are just pointing out that your view is incredibly tainted. If Agger were Slovakian and Skrtel were Danish eh?
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344323#msg1344323 date=1307391071]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[/quote]
All while you're content to keep Daniel "15 games a season" Agger on the payroll, just on the off chance that after 5 seasons of being injury plagued he'll suddenly put it all behind him and stop moaning every time he's not thrown straight back in the team after a lengthy layoff.
No one's being a keyboard warrior, people are just pointing out that your view is incredibly tainted. If Agger were Slovakian and Skrtel were Danish eh?
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344511#msg1344511 date=1307433603]
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344323#msg1344323 date=1307391071]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[/quote]
Forgive me, I quoted the wrong part of your post. I was addressing your "debate" point specifically, not anything related to Skrtel. I don't really give a single fuck if we keep Skrtel this season or not, he improved greatly and if he stays, I'm fine with it.
My point was more that nearly everyone on the forum realizes that Agger's injury record cannot be overcome, and we don't need another year to see that. The evidence is pretty clear. Since he's Danish, you can't seem to grasp the fact that he's a permanent sicknote, and you have some sort of attachment to him that doesn't allow you to see this. I'm just saying, when there are so many people on one side of the equation who think you're wrong, you have to ask yourself if you are and change your views accordingly.
If we get offered anything in the region of 10m pounds for him it's a steal and we should bite their hands off. Sorry for the confusion.
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344323#msg1344323 date=1307391071]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[/quote]
Forgive me, I quoted the wrong part of your post. I was addressing your "debate" point specifically, not anything related to Skrtel. I don't really give a single fuck if we keep Skrtel this season or not, he improved greatly and if he stays, I'm fine with it.
My point was more that nearly everyone on the forum realizes that Agger's injury record cannot be overcome, and we don't need another year to see that. The evidence is pretty clear. Since he's Danish, you can't seem to grasp the fact that he's a permanent sicknote, and you have some sort of attachment to him that doesn't allow you to see this. I'm just saying, when there are so many people on one side of the equation who think you're wrong, you have to ask yourself if you are and change your views accordingly.
If we get offered anything in the region of 10m pounds for him it's a steal and we should bite their hands off. Sorry for the confusion.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45634.msg1344515#msg1344515 date=1307433813]
I'm not fully convinced by Skrtel either KHL. He's improved though lately so I'm willing to see what this season brings. If we do sell Agger though we have to replace him with a class CB. As someone else said I don't think Scott Dann is that
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I've seen enough of Skrtel to believe he's simply not good enough to play week in, week out at highest level. He can't head, he's got a strange way of positioning himself wrong, he's rash and he hasn't got any real strengths to show.
He's a decent CB don't get me wrong but he's no Carra, Sami or even Agger in terms of quality. IMHO. (Agger is not at Carra's nor Sami's level of course but he's got key attributes that could take him there eventually - could he leave his injuries behind him).
I'm not fully convinced by Skrtel either KHL. He's improved though lately so I'm willing to see what this season brings. If we do sell Agger though we have to replace him with a class CB. As someone else said I don't think Scott Dann is that
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I've seen enough of Skrtel to believe he's simply not good enough to play week in, week out at highest level. He can't head, he's got a strange way of positioning himself wrong, he's rash and he hasn't got any real strengths to show.
He's a decent CB don't get me wrong but he's no Carra, Sami or even Agger in terms of quality. IMHO. (Agger is not at Carra's nor Sami's level of course but he's got key attributes that could take him there eventually - could he leave his injuries behind him).
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45634.msg1344522#msg1344522 date=1307434133]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344511#msg1344511 date=1307433603]
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344323#msg1344323 date=1307391071]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[/quote]
All while you're content to keep Daniel "15 games a season" Agger on the payroll, just on the off chance that after 5 seasons of being injury plagued he'll suddenly put it all behind him and stop moaning every time he's not thrown straight back in the team after a lengthy layoff.
No one's being a keyboard warrior, people are just pointing out that your view is incredibly tainted. If Agger were Slovakian and Skrtel were Danish eh?
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Then I'd keep the Slovakian and sell the Dane. Simple really.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344511#msg1344511 date=1307433603]
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344323#msg1344323 date=1307391071]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[/quote]
All while you're content to keep Daniel "15 games a season" Agger on the payroll, just on the off chance that after 5 seasons of being injury plagued he'll suddenly put it all behind him and stop moaning every time he's not thrown straight back in the team after a lengthy layoff.
No one's being a keyboard warrior, people are just pointing out that your view is incredibly tainted. If Agger were Slovakian and Skrtel were Danish eh?
[/quote]
Then I'd keep the Slovakian and sell the Dane. Simple really.
Can we sum it up like this -
I don't think anyone here is underestimating how good a fully fit and confident Danny Agger is. He is a potentially world class defender. Due to injuries, that's never materialized and we're currently entertaining offers for him ONLY because of that.
I don't think anyone here is underestimating how good a fully fit and confident Danny Agger is. He is a potentially world class defender. Due to injuries, that's never materialized and we're currently entertaining offers for him ONLY because of that.
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[/quote]
All while you're content to keep Daniel "15 games a season" Agger on the payroll, just on the off chance that after 5 seasons of being injury plagued he'll suddenly put it all behind him and stop moaning every time he's not thrown straight back in the team after a lengthy layoff.
No one's being a keyboard warrior, people are just pointing out that your view is incredibly tainted. If Agger were Slovakian and Skrtel were Danish eh?
[/quote]
This is exactly what I was saying. KHL's views on Agger are irrational, and I'm actually trying to help him see the light here. I have no agenda here. I'm not some sort of wretched Agger detractor, or KHL hater. Just trying to shine the light on an irrational argument. Agger has given us 4+ seasons of 15 games per CONSISTENTLY. There is no reason to expect this to change in the future. No evidence suggests that he has suddenly become more robust. Any suggestion otherwise is wishful thinking, and not grounded in reality.
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
[/quote]
Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
[/quote]
I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
[/quote]
All while you're content to keep Daniel "15 games a season" Agger on the payroll, just on the off chance that after 5 seasons of being injury plagued he'll suddenly put it all behind him and stop moaning every time he's not thrown straight back in the team after a lengthy layoff.
No one's being a keyboard warrior, people are just pointing out that your view is incredibly tainted. If Agger were Slovakian and Skrtel were Danish eh?
[/quote]
This is exactly what I was saying. KHL's views on Agger are irrational, and I'm actually trying to help him see the light here. I have no agenda here. I'm not some sort of wretched Agger detractor, or KHL hater. Just trying to shine the light on an irrational argument. Agger has given us 4+ seasons of 15 games per CONSISTENTLY. There is no reason to expect this to change in the future. No evidence suggests that he has suddenly become more robust. Any suggestion otherwise is wishful thinking, and not grounded in reality.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45634.msg1344530#msg1344530 date=1307434358]
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
[/quote]I think thats precisely the point Ken. Every single poster bar ONE would rather have the reliable Skrtel on the bench, than the oft injured Agger, who lets be honest would moan as soon as he is fit that he should be in the team.
Its cringeworthy reading this thread.
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
[/quote]I think thats precisely the point Ken. Every single poster bar ONE would rather have the reliable Skrtel on the bench, than the oft injured Agger, who lets be honest would moan as soon as he is fit that he should be in the team.
Its cringeworthy reading this thread.
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the_khl
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[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344523#msg1344523 date=1307434200]
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
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Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
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Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
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I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
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Forgive me, I quoted the wrong part of your post. I was addressing your "debate" point specifically, not anything related to Skrtel. I don't really give a single fuck if we keep Skrtel this season or not, he improved greatly and if he stays, I'm fine with it.
My point was more that nearly everyone on the forum realizes that Agger's injury record cannot be overcome, and we don't need another year to see that. The evidence is pretty clear. Since he's Danish, you can't seem to grasp the fact that he's a permanent sicknote, and you have some sort of attachment to him that doesn't allow you to see this. I'm just saying, when there are so many people on one side of the equation who think you're wrong, you have to ask yourself if you are and change your views accordingly.
If we get offered anything in the region of 10m pounds for him it's a steal and we should bite their hands off. Sorry for the confusion.
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I've got a big heart for Agger and that's obviously influencing my stance. I'm not hiding that.
Maybe you are all right, and he'll never leave his injuries behind him but recent developments, him getting stronger than ever etc., suggests that he's at least willing to give it a last go with everything he's got. He knows the clock is ticking as well.
I hope Kenny is willing to give him a Season to prove himself. If it's once again mared by injuries then sell.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344511#msg1344511 date=1307433603]
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=45634.msg1344323#msg1344323 date=1307391071]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1343968#msg1343968 date=1307365343]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45634.msg1343962#msg1343962 date=1307365211]
skrtel played every league game this season and didn't do that badly
he's prone to a mistake but he's a no nonsense defender. i don't get why he's not good enough
[/quote]
Look this is why we have got a debate on the forum alright. One thinks player Y is good whereas another thinks he's not good enough. Skrtel is not in any way a convincing defender IMO and there's no real key strength or ability in him either. Fair enough if you disagree mate that's how I see it.
Agger or no Agger.
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Yeah, but you'd hope that eventually, one side or the other would realize they are wrong and change their views. That's the whole point of debating. That doesn't seem to be happening here with you. I mean it's quite literally you vs. the forum. Wake up man, when EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side, you have to start asking yourself if you're wrong.
You're wrong, by the way.
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I don't think Skrtel is good enough to hold down a place in a top-tuned Liverpool site. This has got nothing to do with Agger, Carra, Thatcher or the fact the moon's not made of cheese.
If you guys believe so fair enough. I'm convinced he's not got what it takes to compete at the top level based on the +80 games I've seen him play.
I don't care how many Internet-warriors like yourself on 6CM that believes any different. That's how I see it. If I were in charge he was on his way out if I had the money to buy a strong, commanding presence instead of course.
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Forgive me, I quoted the wrong part of your post. I was addressing your "debate" point specifically, not anything related to Skrtel. I don't really give a single fuck if we keep Skrtel this season or not, he improved greatly and if he stays, I'm fine with it.
My point was more that nearly everyone on the forum realizes that Agger's injury record cannot be overcome, and we don't need another year to see that. The evidence is pretty clear. Since he's Danish, you can't seem to grasp the fact that he's a permanent sicknote, and you have some sort of attachment to him that doesn't allow you to see this. I'm just saying, when there are so many people on one side of the equation who think you're wrong, you have to ask yourself if you are and change your views accordingly.
If we get offered anything in the region of 10m pounds for him it's a steal and we should bite their hands off. Sorry for the confusion.
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I've got a big heart for Agger and that's obviously influencing my stance. I'm not hiding that.
Maybe you are all right, and he'll never leave his injuries behind him but recent developments, him getting stronger than ever etc., suggests that he's at least willing to give it a last go with everything he's got. He knows the clock is ticking as well.
I hope Kenny is willing to give him a Season to prove himself. If it's once again mared by injuries then sell.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=45634.msg1344532#msg1344532 date=1307434406]
Can we sum it up like this -
I don't think anyone here is underestimating how good a fully fit and confident Danny Agger is. He is a potentially world class defender. Due to injuries, that's never materialized and we're currently entertaining offers for him ONLY because of that.
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See the last bit really contradicts the first bit and is what galls me about his biggest fans. We're entertaining offers only because he's never had the chance to show how good he could be? So you're assuming that had he had the chance to play non-stop over the last 5yrs he'd have been everything you expected/wanted him to be? That's a big assumption right there.
Can we sum it up like this -
I don't think anyone here is underestimating how good a fully fit and confident Danny Agger is. He is a potentially world class defender. Due to injuries, that's never materialized and we're currently entertaining offers for him ONLY because of that.
[/quote]
See the last bit really contradicts the first bit and is what galls me about his biggest fans. We're entertaining offers only because he's never had the chance to show how good he could be? So you're assuming that had he had the chance to play non-stop over the last 5yrs he'd have been everything you expected/wanted him to be? That's a big assumption right there.
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[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45634.msg1344229#msg1344229 date=1307382467]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344224#msg1344224 date=1307381848]
Agent denies Agger-move:
- Daniel has got three years left of his contract with Liverpool and he's very happy to be there. We don't know anything about the speculations about other clubs and Daniel has no intention to move clubs during the Summerbreak. For him it's all about sticking to the training programme he's been given so he can be fit to play when the new Season kicks off, Per Steffensen is quoted in todays tipsbladet.dk.
*SIGH OF RELIEF BEERS ON ME*
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Well, obviously he wasnt going to leave.
NO other club is that stupid, besides he's still broken.
Once he's better he'll start to make noises about leaving if he's not playing and then someone might come in for him.
Unfortunately he'll break again 2 days later and then talk about what a magnificent club Liverpool is and how 'he's going to fight for his place' TM
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Once he's better, he'll be starting every game. So I doubt you'll hear him complaining.
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We will hear him breaking though.
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45634.msg1344229#msg1344229 date=1307382467]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344224#msg1344224 date=1307381848]
Agent denies Agger-move:
- Daniel has got three years left of his contract with Liverpool and he's very happy to be there. We don't know anything about the speculations about other clubs and Daniel has no intention to move clubs during the Summerbreak. For him it's all about sticking to the training programme he's been given so he can be fit to play when the new Season kicks off, Per Steffensen is quoted in todays tipsbladet.dk.
*SIGH OF RELIEF BEERS ON ME*
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Well, obviously he wasnt going to leave.
NO other club is that stupid, besides he's still broken.
Once he's better he'll start to make noises about leaving if he's not playing and then someone might come in for him.
Unfortunately he'll break again 2 days later and then talk about what a magnificent club Liverpool is and how 'he's going to fight for his place' TM
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Once he's better, he'll be starting every game. So I doubt you'll hear him complaining.
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We will hear him breaking though.
T
the_khl
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=45634.msg1344530#msg1344530 date=1307434358]
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
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Yes and no.
If we're not going to use Skrtel anyways I'd promote Kelly as 3rd/4th choice instead. He's even shakier Skrtel when not playing week in week out, so why keep him on the books?
Carra, Agger, STRONG COMMANDING CB (Subotic, Hummels, etc), Kelly
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
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Yes and no.
If we're not going to use Skrtel anyways I'd promote Kelly as 3rd/4th choice instead. He's even shakier Skrtel when not playing week in week out, so why keep him on the books?
Carra, Agger, STRONG COMMANDING CB (Subotic, Hummels, etc), Kelly
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45634.msg1344543#msg1344543 date=1307434769]
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=45634.msg1344271#msg1344271 date=1307387461]
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45634.msg1344229#msg1344229 date=1307382467]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344224#msg1344224 date=1307381848]
Agent denies Agger-move:
- Daniel has got three years left of his contract with Liverpool and he's very happy to be there. We don't know anything about the speculations about other clubs and Daniel has no intention to move clubs during the Summerbreak. For him it's all about sticking to the training programme he's been given so he can be fit to play when the new Season kicks off, Per Steffensen is quoted in todays tipsbladet.dk.
*SIGH OF RELIEF BEERS ON ME*
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Well, obviously he wasnt going to leave.
NO other club is that stupid, besides he's still broken.
Once he's better he'll start to make noises about leaving if he's not playing and then someone might come in for him.
Unfortunately he'll break again 2 days later and then talk about what a magnificent club Liverpool is and how 'he's going to fight for his place' TM
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Once he's better, he'll be starting every game. So I doubt you'll hear him complaining.
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We will hear him breaking though.
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....and then complaining. Or going on International duty.
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=45634.msg1344271#msg1344271 date=1307387461]
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45634.msg1344229#msg1344229 date=1307382467]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344224#msg1344224 date=1307381848]
Agent denies Agger-move:
- Daniel has got three years left of his contract with Liverpool and he's very happy to be there. We don't know anything about the speculations about other clubs and Daniel has no intention to move clubs during the Summerbreak. For him it's all about sticking to the training programme he's been given so he can be fit to play when the new Season kicks off, Per Steffensen is quoted in todays tipsbladet.dk.
*SIGH OF RELIEF BEERS ON ME*
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Well, obviously he wasnt going to leave.
NO other club is that stupid, besides he's still broken.
Once he's better he'll start to make noises about leaving if he's not playing and then someone might come in for him.
Unfortunately he'll break again 2 days later and then talk about what a magnificent club Liverpool is and how 'he's going to fight for his place' TM
[/quote]
Once he's better, he'll be starting every game. So I doubt you'll hear him complaining.
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We will hear him breaking though.
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....and then complaining. Or going on International duty.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=45634.msg1344530#msg1344530 date=1307434358]
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
[/quote]
Yes and no.
If we're not going to use Skrtel anyways I'd promote Kelly as 3rd/4th choice instead. He's even shakier Skrtel when not playing week in week out, so why keep him on the books?
Carra, Agger, STRONG COMMANDING CB (Subotic, Hummels, etc), Kelly
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Martin Kelly who's never EVER played a senior game at centre back in his life, ahead of a proven International who's played in the Premiership and the CL successfully.
Point proven.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45634.msg1344530#msg1344530 date=1307434358]
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
[/quote]
Yes and no.
If we're not going to use Skrtel anyways I'd promote Kelly as 3rd/4th choice instead. He's even shakier Skrtel when not playing week in week out, so why keep him on the books?
Carra, Agger, STRONG COMMANDING CB (Subotic, Hummels, etc), Kelly
[/quote]
Martin Kelly who's never EVER played a senior game at centre back in his life, ahead of a proven International who's played in the Premiership and the CL successfully.
Point proven.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45634.msg1344540#msg1344540 date=1307434687]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=45634.msg1344532#msg1344532 date=1307434406]
Can we sum it up like this -
I don't think anyone here is underestimating how good a fully fit and confident Danny Agger is. He is a potentially world class defender. Due to injuries, that's never materialized and we're currently entertaining offers for him ONLY because of that.
[/quote]
See the last bit really contradicts the first bit and is what galls me about his biggest fans. We're entertaining offers only because he's never had the chance to show how good he could be? So you're assuming that had he had the chance to play non-stop over the last 5yrs he'd have been everything you expected/wanted him to be? That's a big assumption right there.
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When he's played, he's been fine - few off games and some brilliant games. If he had been healthy the last 5 years, we'd have a very strong CB partnership with Carra and Agger, and not be looking to sell him. I don't think it's an assumption, I think it's the way it's played out. He's obviously done enough for some team to be willing to spend 9 million quid on him ...
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=45634.msg1344532#msg1344532 date=1307434406]
Can we sum it up like this -
I don't think anyone here is underestimating how good a fully fit and confident Danny Agger is. He is a potentially world class defender. Due to injuries, that's never materialized and we're currently entertaining offers for him ONLY because of that.
[/quote]
See the last bit really contradicts the first bit and is what galls me about his biggest fans. We're entertaining offers only because he's never had the chance to show how good he could be? So you're assuming that had he had the chance to play non-stop over the last 5yrs he'd have been everything you expected/wanted him to be? That's a big assumption right there.
[/quote]
When he's played, he's been fine - few off games and some brilliant games. If he had been healthy the last 5 years, we'd have a very strong CB partnership with Carra and Agger, and not be looking to sell him. I don't think it's an assumption, I think it's the way it's played out. He's obviously done enough for some team to be willing to spend 9 million quid on him ...
T
the_khl
Guest
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45634.msg1344550#msg1344550 date=1307434879]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344547#msg1344547 date=1307434803]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45634.msg1344530#msg1344530 date=1307434358]
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
[/quote]
Yes and no.
If we're not going to use Skrtel anyways I'd promote Kelly as 3rd/4th choice instead. He's even shakier Skrtel when not playing week in week out, so why keep him on the books?
Carra, Agger, STRONG COMMANDING CB (Subotic, Hummels, etc), Kelly
[/quote]
Martin Kelly who's never EVER played a senior game at centre back in his life, ahead of a proven International who's played in the Premiership and the CL successfully.
Point proven.
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Christian Poulsen was proven too.
Don't hate me for not believing Skrtel isn't good enough mate. I'd prefer to blood a major talent like Kelly and bet on Agger staying fit. As well as I'd buy a commanding presence as we really miss that, instead of hanging on to a player I don't believe has got what it takes.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344547#msg1344547 date=1307434803]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45634.msg1344530#msg1344530 date=1307434358]
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
[/quote]
Yes and no.
If we're not going to use Skrtel anyways I'd promote Kelly as 3rd/4th choice instead. He's even shakier Skrtel when not playing week in week out, so why keep him on the books?
Carra, Agger, STRONG COMMANDING CB (Subotic, Hummels, etc), Kelly
[/quote]
Martin Kelly who's never EVER played a senior game at centre back in his life, ahead of a proven International who's played in the Premiership and the CL successfully.
Point proven.
[/quote]
Christian Poulsen was proven too.
Don't hate me for not believing Skrtel isn't good enough mate. I'd prefer to blood a major talent like Kelly and bet on Agger staying fit. As well as I'd buy a commanding presence as we really miss that, instead of hanging on to a player I don't believe has got what it takes.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344555#msg1344555 date=1307435038]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45634.msg1344550#msg1344550 date=1307434879]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344547#msg1344547 date=1307434803]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45634.msg1344530#msg1344530 date=1307434358]
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
[/quote]
Yes and no.
If we're not going to use Skrtel anyways I'd promote Kelly as 3rd/4th choice instead. He's even shakier Skrtel when not playing week in week out, so why keep him on the books?
Carra, Agger, STRONG COMMANDING CB (Subotic, Hummels, etc), Kelly
[/quote]
Martin Kelly who's never EVER played a senior game at centre back in his life, ahead of a proven International who's played in the Premiership and the CL successfully.
Point proven.
[/quote]
Christian Poulsen was proven too.
Don't hate me for not believing Skrtel isn't good enough mate. I'd prefer to blood a major talent like Kelly and bet on Agger staying fit. As well as I'd buy a commanding presence as we really miss that, instead of hanging on to a player I don't believe has got what it takes.
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If you're interested in betting on Agger staying fit, I have a few bridges for sale in New York that you may be interested in...
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45634.msg1344550#msg1344550 date=1307434879]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45634.msg1344547#msg1344547 date=1307434803]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45634.msg1344530#msg1344530 date=1307434358]
Agger leaving and Skrtels qualities are two separate debates.
Agger can leave. We can buy a new CB. Skrtel can drop to the bench.
It's that easy.
[/quote]
Yes and no.
If we're not going to use Skrtel anyways I'd promote Kelly as 3rd/4th choice instead. He's even shakier Skrtel when not playing week in week out, so why keep him on the books?
Carra, Agger, STRONG COMMANDING CB (Subotic, Hummels, etc), Kelly
[/quote]
Martin Kelly who's never EVER played a senior game at centre back in his life, ahead of a proven International who's played in the Premiership and the CL successfully.
Point proven.
[/quote]
Christian Poulsen was proven too.
Don't hate me for not believing Skrtel isn't good enough mate. I'd prefer to blood a major talent like Kelly and bet on Agger staying fit. As well as I'd buy a commanding presence as we really miss that, instead of hanging on to a player I don't believe has got what it takes.
[/quote]
If you're interested in betting on Agger staying fit, I have a few bridges for sale in New York that you may be interested in...
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