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Carroll (the new harry kewell)

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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=45267.msg1329914#msg1329914 date=1304978458]
A summers rest and he'll be fine.
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shame he ain't getting it then
 
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=45267.msg1329809#msg1329809 date=1304975710]
The thing that concerns me a little is maybe we will be obliged to play Carroll and he won't fit into the quick pass and move the team have adopted.

Anyone else?
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I think Carroll is better with his feet than given credit for, but sometimes players at the back with lump it forward having the easy option of a target man up top, instead of playing it out from the back. I'm not sure about obliged, I think Kenny will be strong enough to feel he doesn't HAVE to play Carroll, just because he was expensive. Ancelotti has dropped Torres numerous times now. He will have to fight for his place like everyone else (including any big stars, well except Suarez becuase he rocks ;D )
 
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=45267.msg1329809#msg1329809 date=1304975710]
The thing that concerns me a little is maybe we will be obliged to play Carroll and he won't fit into the quick pass and move the team have adopted.

Anyone else?
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yep, i think that's a legitimate concern, and i've been thinking that for a while. it does slightly perturb me when i see us playing like this, and see the prospect of us signing more tricky, technical attackers, as to where exactly carroll fits into the plan.

ah well, no point dwelling on it for now. i think he's a great player and a good lad, and with so much to look forward to it's daft to focus on a (hypothetical) negative.
 
ANDY CARROLL will return to Liverpool next month already facing a fight to prove he can fit into Kenny Dalglish's long-term plans.

Carroll should have been leading the England Under-21 attack against Spain tonight.

Instead, the Liverpool striker's summer holiday represents the calm before the storm as he readies himself for the most important season of his career.

Just six months after Carroll's £35million move to Anfield from Newcastle, there are genuine concerns as to whether the striker has what it takes to make his time on Merseyside a success.

The 22-year-old's lifestyle and lack of fitness are making many at the club fear he is destined to become an expensive mistake unless he can rid himself of bad habits and bad influences.

The Geordie will be under intense pressure to start delivering in August after being given a relatively easy ride in his first six months at Liverpool.

Although he scored twice, his fitness levels started to alarm the club during the climax to the campaign.

His lack of contribution to the club's recovery from 12th to sixth under Dalglish slipped under the radar largely due to the impact of Luis Suarez.

The Uruguayan, who signed on the same deadline day in January, was able to distract attention from the void left by Fernando Torres.

And, while Torres was universally slammed for his difficulties settling at Stamford Bridge, it has been relatively ignored that, without Suarez's impact, the £35m spent on Carroll would have received much more damning scrutiny.

Carroll, the eighth-most expensive footballer in history and the second-most expensive player playing for a British club behind Torres, was injured when he arrived and continued to pick up niggles during training.

That was put down in part to his poor shape, which is not helped by his off-the-pitch routine.

The striker has been described as a throwback to another era, but that applies to his social life as much as his style of play.

Before arriving at Anfield his off-field reputation had eclipsed his impressive displays for Newcastle, for whom he scored 33 goals in 91 appearances.

He was fined for a nightclub assault and also involved in a highly publicised training ground incident which left team-mate Steven Taylor with a broken jaw.

Since arriving, he has been spotted celebrating Liverpool wins in city centre bars. The feeling is that close friends ought to be looking after him and warning him he will not survive at Anfield unless he oversees a massive change in approach.

There were plenty at Anfield who thought Carroll would have been better off in Denmark with the Under-21s rather than sunning himself on holiday.

But that would mean he'd miss the start of Liverpool's pre-season and Dalglish felt it could have done more harm than good.

Instead, come the first week of July, the striker is likely to be worked like he has never been before.

Those first few weeks of conditioning work will be the most crucial he will ever undertake.

Should Carroll not emerge from that looking like a new player, it is no exaggeration to suggest his Liverpool career will be under immediate threat.

The biggest problem will be how Carroll fits into a team which is to be built on youthful energy, movement and running opponents ragged.

Seven days at the end of last season exposed where Carroll's difficulties lie. In their penultimate away game at Fulham, the pace, athleticism and mobility of Dalglish's midfield and strike force demonstrated his long-term vision for how Liverpool will play.

Suarez and Dirk Kuyt excelled because of their ability to drag defenders into areas they felt uncomfortable.

Five days later at home to Spurs, Liverpool were unrecognisable. Carroll led the line looking unfit and unsuited to the high-tempo game Dalglish wants.

His movement was poor, his touch suspect and the balance of the team was badly affected.

He could hide behind a troublesome knee injury which forced him out of the final game at Aston Villa, but in reality the end of the season came at the right time.

Serious questions were starting to be raised about whether Carroll should be in the team at all. And it will not get any easier for him in August.

Dalglish's summer transfer targets are designed to add more vibrancy in midfield and attack.

Jordan Henderson will be as likely to play right midfield as central. Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam's likely arrival will raise the possibility of Dalglish favouring 4-3-3.

The interest in Ipswich's Connor Wickham will offer more competition, although on the basis of their form at the end of last season Suarez and Kuyt are undroppable.

So where will Carroll play? He will certainly offer a different option with his physical presence, but the Kop was anticipating much more for £35m.

He is in danger of transforming himself from the new Alan Shearer into an impact sub.

Still, there is no doubt that under Dalglish Carroll will be given the chance to thrive.

"We did not sign Andy for six months, we signed him for six years," was the manager's response to any Carroll questions last season.
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Its way too early early for all this shit in regard to Carroll but then he has created this situation for himself through his off field conduct. He was never fit in the 5 months he was a Liverpool player last season. Hes getting the oppurtunity to rest and get his body right before the start of next season because it will be a huge step up for him not just in the physical demands of our high tempo movement upfront but also mentally and thats something he has not dealt with before. He is now a record breakingly expensive footballer with alot to prove to both his new club and his doubter and the pressure of playing for a club like liverpool will be unlike anything he experienced in the championship for newcatle or during his 6 months as part of their campaign to finish 17th or higher

If he shows up for preseason in good shape mentaly and physically and works his balls off getting prepared for the new season then I think we can look forward to a productive season from him, if he drags his heels and acts the cock because he is a big time super star now then his career at Anfield will be very shortlived
 
Once thing for sure, Andy has loads of work to do if he wants to play. Kenny will drop him if he aint pulling his weight and that goes for every Liverpool player.
 
Its a horribly shite article tbh. Let the lad get fit and find his form, he'll be ace.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=45267.msg1347727#msg1347727 date=1307859381]
Its a horribly shite article tbh. Let the lad get fit and find his form, he'll be ace.
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I don't think it is.

Way too many young English players sign their first big deal and think they've made it and the hard work is done.

Carroll has been injured quite a bit, been unimpressive when "fit", and been the subject of way too many stories of him being on the piss at all in Liverpool.

There's a significant risk of this deal turning sour pretty quickly if Carroll doesn't get his act together on and off the pitch.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45267.msg1347771#msg1347771 date=1307872458]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=45267.msg1347727#msg1347727 date=1307859381]
Its a horribly shite article tbh. Let the lad get fit and find his form, he'll be ace.
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I don't think it is.

Way too many young English players sign their first big deal and think they've made it and the hard work is done.

Carroll has been injured quite a bit, been unimpressive when "fit", and been the subject of way too many stories of him being on the piss at all in Liverpool.

There's a significant risk of this deal turning sour pretty quickly if Carroll doesn't get his act together on and off the pitch.
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He's never been fit though has he? He certainly hasn't been 'match fit' in a Liverpool shirt.

2 goals in the prem in 7 games, and we haven't seen him at his best yet, whats there to worry about?
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=45267.msg1347776#msg1347776 date=1307874161]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45267.msg1347771#msg1347771 date=1307872458]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=45267.msg1347727#msg1347727 date=1307859381]
Its a horribly shite article tbh. Let the lad get fit and find his form, he'll be ace.
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I don't think it is.

Way too many young English players sign their first big deal and think they've made it and the hard work is done.

Carroll has been injured quite a bit, been unimpressive when "fit", and been the subject of way too many stories of him being on the piss at all in Liverpool.

There's a significant risk of this deal turning sour pretty quickly if Carroll doesn't get his act together on and off the pitch.
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He's never been fit though has he? He certainly hasn't been 'match fit' in a Liverpool shirt.

2 goals in the prem in 7 games, and we haven't seen him at his best yet, whats there to worry about?
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That's the problem Asbo.

55m invested and he's not been fit once in five months. If he was trying his best to recover his fitness I wouldn't have an issue.
 
I'm pretty sure Kenny's almost standing back & getting a grip on the way the lad thinks & behaves before he takes any action.

It's well publicised he's been out with socially a few times himself, i'm pretty sure he's aware the lad hasn't behaved in the manner he should but doesn't want to exacerbate the situation by being too heavy handed.

I think he'll treat him the way Fergie does Rooney. Let him off the leash occasionally but play to the fact he loves football, & push him into playing first & foremost.

I could be completely wrong, or it could spectacularly backfire. We shall see.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=45267.msg1347727#msg1347727 date=1307859381]
Its a horribly shite article tbh. Let the lad get fit and find his form, he'll be ace.
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x2, all this shit about Carroll being a big expensive mistake is just a load of shit, give him a season to prove himself. He will be top goalscorer next season
 
Hahahaha. The tweet rumours have started off as drunken behaviour, progressed to fighting and now also include possession of cocaine. Something tells me that this is typical rumour bollocks :laugh:
 
He needs a good start to the season. For whatever reasons - not all his fault - this deal has been poor thus far and he's under a lot of pressure. Spending the summer on an international piss up is not going to help.

If he starts the season as poorly as he ended the last one the media will have a field day. As with all big money signings many are willing him to fail anyway.
 
Big Andy has all the attributes to be a beast of a player.
Then again so had Collymore.

I think he is at the right club with the right manager to develop to his full potential as a player
 
@TonyBarretTimes: Andy Carroll got back from Ibiza yesterday - as I did - and trained at Melwood today - as I didn't. The arrest rumour is b******s.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=45267.msg1353299#msg1353299 date=1308748274]
Big Andy has all the attributes to be a beast of a player.
Then again so had Collymore.

I think he is at the right club with the right manager to develop to his full potential as a player
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I hope so. I'd like to think that he is not mental like Collymore. There isn't much you can do with a player who is mental but one who is probably a bit thick, likes a drink, has a tendency to behave unprofessionally off the field but is still young can certainly be helped.

In fairness I can't think of an example of where Kenny has dealt with a player in that position but he's been around long enough so I assume there must have been a few.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=45267.msg1353322#msg1353322 date=1308750826]
[quote author=the count link=topic=45267.msg1353299#msg1353299 date=1308748274]
Big Andy has all the attributes to be a beast of a player.
Then again so had Collymore.

I think he is at the right club with the right manager to develop to his full potential as a player
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I hope so. I'd like to think that he is not mental like Collymore. There isn't much you can do with a player who is mental but one who is probably a bit thick, likes a drink, has a tendency to behave unprofessionally off the field but is still young can certainly be helped.

In fairness I can't think of an example of where Kenny has dealt with a player in that position but he's been around long enough so I assume there must have been a few.
[/quote] I'd warrant that more than half the players Kenny dealt with in the eighties had most of these attributes
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=45267.msg1353322#msg1353322 date=1308750826]
[quote author=the count link=topic=45267.msg1353299#msg1353299 date=1308748274]
Big Andy has all the attributes to be a beast of a player.
Then again so had Collymore.

I think he is at the right club with the right manager to develop to his full potential as a player
[/quote]

I hope so. I'd like to think that he is not mental like Collymore. There isn't much you can do with a player who is mental but one who is probably a bit thick, likes a drink, has a tendency to behave unprofessionally off the field but is still young can certainly be helped.

In fairness I can't think of an example of where Kenny has dealt with a player in that position but he's been around long enough so I assume there must have been a few.
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I'm not comfortable with the "mental" label there Richey. If Collymore is, as described, a person who suffers from depression then labelling him as "mental" is not good.

My father suffers from depression and whilst he has not done some of the things that Collymore has done, it has affected his life and the people around him's lives in a negative fashion. Whilst its difficult to understand, people with depression need help not negative stereotyping.

Sorry, if it sounds a bit pompous but I've got a bee in my bonnet about this type of thing due to the effect its had on me personally.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45267.msg1353334#msg1353334 date=1308754649]

I'm not comfortable with the "mental" label there Richey. If Collymore is, as described, a person who suffers from depression then labelling him as "mental" is not good.

My father suffers from depression and whilst he has not done some of the things that Collymore has done, it has affected his life and the people around him's lives in a negative fashion. Whilst its difficult to understand, people with depression need help not negative stereotyping.

Sorry, if it sounds a bit pompous but I've got a bee in my bonnet about this type of thing due to the effect its had on me personally.
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Spion, sincere apologies. I did not mean offence and I am sorry if I caused any.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=45267.msg1353341#msg1353341 date=1308755795]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45267.msg1353334#msg1353334 date=1308754649]

I'm not comfortable with the "mental" label there Richey. If Collymore is, as described, a person who suffers from depression then labelling him as "mental" is not good.

My father suffers from depression and whilst he has not done some of the things that Collymore has done, it has affected his life and the people around him's lives in a negative fashion. Whilst its difficult to understand, people with depression need help not negative stereotyping.

Sorry, if it sounds a bit pompous but I've got a bee in my bonnet about this type of thing due to the effect its had on me personally.
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Spion, sincere apologies. I did not mean offence and I am sorry if I caused any.
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Its ok mate, I kinda guessed there was no offence. I've climbed off my high horse now!
 
TBF I've listened to a 'serious' Collymore debate about depression on TalkSport a few months ago & the lad is seriously intelligent about a lot of things, & speaks very well (albeit in an annoying fucking accent) & candidly about his depression & how it effects him. His doctor was also on & described some of his symptoms too.

Whilst I think there's some of the things you can attribute him doing to simply him being a cock, it's only fair to consider that his depression his contributed to much of his behaviour.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=45267.msg1353391#msg1353391 date=1308763155]
I reckon Carrol is gonna have a great season.
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Me too....MM, me too


regards
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45267.msg1353363#msg1353363 date=1308758458]
TBF I've listened to a 'serious' Collymore debate about depression on TalkSport a few months ago & the lad is seriously intelligent about a lot of things, & speaks very well (albeit in an annoying fucking accent) & candidly about his depression & how it effects him. His doctor was also on & described some of his symptoms too.

Whilst I think there's some of the things you can attribute him doing to simply him being a cock, it's only fair to consider that his depression his contributed to much of his behaviour.
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This.
 
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