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Gettin’ Guehi with it

I don’t think Aguero gets done now - as apparently Palace rejected the £35m offer - apparently wanting £40m + 10% sell on.

I think we’ll walk away and take him on a free next summer instead.
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[Sami Mokbel] Crystal Palace make counter offer of £35million plus £5m in add-ons in response to Liverpool's £35m, plus 10% sell-on, proposal for Marc Guehi
So, we're really arguing over 1.5m..? If that's true and we don't get him, I'll go fucking spare.
 
Transfer reporter Ben Jacobs on Talksh!te this morning was saying the Guehi deal probably will get done, because Palace know they'll lose him for nothing in a year's time if they don't sell now.
 
This has to get done now. Haggling over a negligible amount the day before the window shuts? That would be incompetence.

The Gomez aspect I wasn't keen on, but realistically if we had Guehi he would be our 4th choice cb and our 3rd choice L&RB. Just depends whether gomez was keen
 
I guess it’s down to who blinks first and who has most to lose if the deal doesn’t go through.

Arguably we’ve got four good, if imperfect options (aside from Virgil) while Palace are giving up £35m that limits their future expenditure.

January for £15m-£20m becomes an option, I guess.
 
In fairness given his age, a 10% sell on is probably worthless, can't imagine him being sold for more in future, he'll either be a success and stay a long time, or not be sold for less in a shorter time frame. 5m guaranteed is probably worth close to 5m more than a 10% sell on.
 
I'd be wary of letting Gomez go. More for the fullback positions than anything else. Frimpong's already injured, Bradley's a crock, Kerkez is playing like a clown so far, and Robbo's fading fast.

Agree too
 
He's been here a long time, never really been considered a first choice. And we're making signings that suggests he's moving further from that, I suspect he wants to move on.
 
Even during Klopp's days, since when have we kept 5 senior CBs on our books? How do we keep them fit and happy is the question. Last season Gomez was out alot, and even so Quansah, the other CB, started less than 10 games.
 
How's that related to wanting to keep a utility player considering how injury prone our right and left backs are?
We've held on to him too long. 17 appearances last season. He's a great player when fit, but he's hardly ever fit. If we get Guehi then he's 4th choice at best, blocking Leoni's chances at CB, and he's never more than doing a job at full-back. He's an expensive squad filler and it's time to let him go.
And honestly, are you saying we should keep Joe because OTHER PLAYERS are injury prone?
 
We've held on to him too long. 17 appearances last season. He's a great player when fit, but he's hardly ever fit. If we get Guehi then he's 4th choice at best, blocking Leoni's chances at CB, and he's never more than doing a job at full-back. He's an expensive squad filler and it's time to let him go.
And honestly, are you saying we should keep Joe because OTHER PLAYERS are injury prone?

I think he played quite a lot the season before didn't he? A lot would depend on the medical department's assessment. If they think he's got a reasonable chance of having one of his better seasons then keep him. If he's getting worse and basically not up to it then yeah obviously he's useless so let him go.

Fwiw though why not just let Palace take him? If we're willing to let him go that's surely the obvious solution. First we hear we're blocking the move to Palace which makes total sense in terms of the Guehi move, now we hear we might sell him to Milan for a pittance. It's weird.
 
I think he played quite a lot the season before didn't he? A lot would depend on the medical department's assessment. If they think he's got a reasonable chance of having one of his better seasons then keep him. If he's getting worse and basically not up to it then yeah obviously he's useless so let him go.

Fwiw though why not just let Palace take him? If we're willing to let him go that's surely the obvious solution. First we hear we're blocking the move to Palace which makes total sense in terms of the Guehi move, now we hear we might sell him to Milan for a pittance. It's weird.

Whether the loan deal to balance wasn't favourable to us for a wage split? Who knows.
 
I think he played quite a lot the season before didn't he? A lot would depend on the medical department's assessment. If they think he's got a reasonable chance of having one of his better seasons then keep him. If he's getting worse and basically not up to it then yeah obviously he's useless so let him go.

Fwiw though why not just let Palace take him? If we're willing to let him go that's surely the obvious solution. First we hear we're blocking the move to Palace which makes total sense in terms of the Guehi move, now we hear we might sell him to Milan for a pittance. It's weird.
He's played something like 40% of our games over the last 5 years. It's not enough. In contrast, Frimpong missed 14 games over the last 6 seasons, Kerkez, as far as I can tell, has missed 4 in his entire career. We don't need Gomez to cover for them. And a combination of age and relentless injuries is bound to have taken the edge off him physically.
I thought the same re Palace at first, but I am guessing it's more about whether Gomez wants to play at the very top level and at the kind of ferocious pace that has likely caused his injuries. In that respect, the slower-paced Serie A (where he could be in contention for the league) plus Champions League most years probably seems a better prospect for him than mid-table battles in the Prem with Palace and pushing his body to compete the extra games in the Conference League (likely for one season only).
The only reason he'd want Palace would be to stay in the UK, and we shouldn't rule that out. Being settled here is probably a large part of why he's still here, and why he always speaks well of the club when asked. If he says no there's nothing we can do, but if it were in our control then we should look to move him on. Nothing personal (I've always really liked him), just business.
 
He's played something like 40% of our games over the last 5 years. It's not enough. In contrast, Frimpong missed 14 games over the last 6 seasons, Kerkez, as far as I can tell, has missed 4 in his entire career. We don't need Gomez to cover for them. And a combination of age and relentless injuries is bound to have taken the edge off him physically.
I thought the same re Palace at first, but I am guessing it's more about whether Gomez wants to play at the very top level and at the kind of ferocious pace that has likely caused his injuries. In that respect, the slower-paced Serie A (where he could be in contention for the league) plus Champions League most years probably seems a better prospect for him than mid-table battles in the Prem with Palace and pushing his body to compete the extra games in the Conference League (likely for one season only).
The only reason he'd want Palace would be to stay in the UK, and we shouldn't rule that out. Being settled here is probably a large part of why he's still here, and why he always speaks well of the club when asked. If he says no there's nothing we can do, but if it were in our control then we should look to move him on. Nothing personal (I've always really liked him), just business.

Yeah but the reports suggested we were the ones who refused Palace but are open to Milan. Although maybe that's just bs.
 
Even when fully fit JoGo was rarely good enough. He had one very good spell of about 15 games beside VVD but it was never gonna last. He’s shite in the air especially under a challenge, he lacks physicality and regularly got bullied and he reacted to dangerous situations rather than trying to stop dangerous situations arising.

I was never a fan and if we can get £30m for him I’ll be elated.
 
I'd sell Gomez if we bought in another versatile defender and he wants out, but only under those conditions. Even a crock is better than nobody.
 
Yeah but the reports suggested we were the ones who refused Palace but are open to Milan. Although maybe that's just bs.
Pretty sure with the Guehi deal going down to the last day that we wouldn't have wanted the complication of a loan going the other way unless it was bound to happen. I expect we'll have spoken to the player, he said no, so we rejected. The Milan thing is different because it's actual money and a stand-alone deal for a player who'll have a year left this time next year. And again, there's a good chance we spoke to the player before engaging with them because there's no point spending time on that deal if we've potentially got to get Guehi and Isak over the line tomorrow, plus whatever last-minute loan offers come in for fringe first-teamers.
 
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