Well then, thank you then for that piece of information that in no way implied an answer to Binomial’s question about HG qualification - my mistake.
I was able to build on it and give Binomial an answer to his question.
Teamwork…. Yippee!!!
Maybe....1 more Italian?
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Well then, thank you then for that piece of information that in no way implied an answer to Binomial’s question about HG qualification - my mistake.
I was able to build on it and give Binomial an answer to his question.
Teamwork…. Yippee!!!
That was the unnamed club who bid £30m
Alternatively - they take all the risk of buying an Italian and if he turns out to be any good, we grab him in 2 or 3 years time for double the price, if he’s worth it.
Double?
Yeah I'd think triple more like it. Otherwise he won't have reached the LFC grade.
I was pegging it at £60m-70m…but £90m might be the go in 2 years.
That’s based on him costing about £30m as an £18 yo.
Which all goes back to my regular point about being no value in 18-21 yo’s because then haven’t made it, need games and cost fuck loads.
I’d rather sign them earlier and develop (eg Trey or Rio) because at the very least you can sell for £20m in a few years,
Or
Pay the premium once a team have taken the risk and spent the time developing him - which would be a team essentially giving up potential short term success for a more sustainable long term strategy.
Yeah I've been saying the same. Unless there is clear potential, such as Rio, then paying a lot for young U21 players is a lottery that we, as one of the top clubs in the world, shouldn't be involved in.
NB. U18 is a different market and we can develop and sell on.
Fuck paying a premium, so what now we're just going to get into the habit of buying everyone for £80-90m? Is that the grand idea. What the fucks that about? No point having a recruitment or scouting team in that case.
Leoni should be signed now for the bargain he is and we should all sit back and enjoy as he develops nicely into one of the best CBs in the world alongside the current best CB in the world, tired of seeing all these talents slip under our fingernails and succeeding elsewhere.
Leoni should be signed now for the bargain he is and we should all sit back and enjoy as he develops nicely into one of the best CBs in the world alongside the current best CB in the world, tired of seeing all these talents slip under our fingernails and succeeding elsewhere.
We're not talking about Leoni. He is one of the exceptional players mentioned.
It's buying a raft of 19-21 year olds on potential alone. It rarely works out and we'd be better paying whatever is the market rate for a top 23-25 year old than 4 x £35m 'potentially great' youngsters.
More importantly that wastes time when our teams nowadays already contain a number of top class players and we just want to supplement that to ensure we are competing at the CL/PL tables.
You may also have noticed the LFC board agree with this premise.
Question being will it be double the price if it works out for him?
I see your point regarding the risk reward for 18 - 21 year olds and the fees being demanded in todays market, however due to Brexit (could be wrong), we cannot sign anyone from outside of UK under 18, unless we tap into the loop holes like moving their family with a job.
I believe this is one of the main reasons why FSG have now bought into Edwards idea of a multi-club model where we can buy, develop and than transfer ownership to LFC for those who have the required level.
That’s the problem though - he needs to be playing regularly very soon or he won’t develop - and to play regularly for us he needs to be better than Virgil or Konate.
You get them into the club at 16/17 and you pay fuck all - the minute they sign that first contract at 18, their price goes through the roof, yet you still have to develop them - which means playing them and playing them means compromising winning things for developments sake.
So yes, I’d rather we paid £70m for the finished article than £30m for someone who’s going to stagnate on the bench for a year or be part of our push to make the Europa League.
In the unlikely event we find an 18yo player that’s good enough to hold down a regular starting position at Liverpool and would cost £30m‘ish, I’d be all for it.
It's 30m and loan out to a PL club or equivalent for 2 years and see where we're at.
Or he's good enough and he'll get consistent minutes and might oust ibou, or ibou goes for free next year and vvd the year after.
It's not a bad idea to get this kid in now. Worst case scenario we break even
Or he's good enough and he'll get consistent minutes and might oust ibou, or ibou goes for free next year and vvd the year after.
It's not a bad idea to get this kid in now. Worst case scenario we break even
You are literally talking about the Chelsea model which we've all poured scorn on!
For one or 2 players of exceptional talent i think it's an excellent strategy
Buying dewsbury-Hall and chukwumeka aren't that. Chelsea buy every cunt. And to be fair...can we say it's not worked? They've improved year on year
Yeah, but they’d have improved year on year by having a more targeted approach, buying half the players, spending half the money and probably winning more.
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Well if he's going to be homegrown he'll be a good long term investment.
Loaning young CBs can be a good plan imo. It worked for Saliba, If Juventus had loaned Huijsen to Bournemouth they'd be happy now.
Well if he's going to be homegrown he'll be a good long term investment.
Loaning young CBs can be a good plan imo. It worked for Saliba, If Juventus had loaned Huijsen to Bournemouth they'd be happy now.
If Leoni comes in as third choice then he'll get games. Konate is regularly injured.
It's always the same issue with CB. Have no players rotting on the bench >> OMG we need cover!
Have a youngster as cover >> OMG he needs experience when will he play?!
Have an established star as cover >> OMG he's gonna want to start!
Have an older journeyman >> OMG he's not good enough!
We obviously want a top young CB and have done for ages. If that's Leoni let's just sign him up.
It's always the same issue with CB. Have no players rotting on the bench >> OMG we need cover!
Have a youngster as cover >> OMG he needs experience when will he play?!
Have an established star as cover >> OMG he's gonna want to start!
Have an older journeyman >> OMG he's not good enough!
We obviously want a top young CB and have done for ages. If that's Leoni let's just sign him up.
They had a shite bloated squad tbf. They need a churn and they're slowly finding the pieces that fit
The problem is at those ages you can't be sure they are exceptional talent or that they will justify the investment. Chelsea have bought what 50 players? We see them sell a few but what of the other 30-40?
They sell a lot. Especially with their agreement with Strasbourg they've constantly got players in the shop window. Look at some of the players they churn out and the fees are not too dissimilar to what they were brought in for. You only need one or 2 to be good enough to seel for a high profit. They've still got a competitive squad. 2 even.
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