Political Correctness & the FA

[peterhague]

That's the thing about the English language, it makes it easier for such political correctness.

Can you imagine trying it with other languages where objects can be masculine, feminine or neutral? You would need to rewrite the language.

I think that's why I never got anywhere with languages. Pretty much everyone else in my family speaks French or studied language at uni, so there was never any shortage of people helping out with stuff like 'no no, it's 'la'. The toaster's a girl!'

How do you know?

'Well, you just learn it!'

Yeah... maybe not.

 

[tombrown]

Fattist!

And icist

 

[cloggypop]

 

[singlerider]

Regardless of whether it was sexist or patronising, it shouldn't have been tweeted cos it was cringey as fuck.

What bellend thought that one up?

 

[Best Believe It]

Regardless of whether it was sexist or patronising, it shouldn't have been tweeted cos it was cringey as fuck.

What bellend thought that one up?

James Callow

Content editor at the FA. Has apologised but said it wasn't sexist and that he would have done the same for the men's team.

 

[Athens]

I think that's why I never got anywhere with languages. Pretty much everyone else in my family speaks French or studied language at uni, so there was never any shortage of people helping out with stuff like 'no no, it's 'la'. The toaster's a girl!'

How do you know?

'Well, you just learn it!'

Yeah... maybe not.

In Greek the slang word for dick is feminine while the word for cunt is neutral.

I can't understand why.

 

[peterhague]

James Callow

Content editor at the FA. Has apologised but said it wasn't sexist and that he would have done the same for the men's team.

Ha. A Labour supporter who used to work at the Guardian.

Something tells me he's just a bit thick rather than sexist, and that the whole thing says nothing at all about the FA's remoteness from PC morality.

 

[singlerider]

James Callow

Content editor at the FA. Has apologised but said it wasn't sexist and that he would have done the same for the men's team.

What the fuck is wrong with "Congratulations to the Lionesses on their spectacular achievement, who return today to a hero's welcome"

Okay, it's bland, but at least it's not cringey. That shit was awful. It would have been awful if it was for the men as well

 

[Best Believe It]

What the fuck is wrong with "Congratulations to the Lionesses on their spectacular achievement, who return today to a hero's welcome"

Okay, it's bland, but at least it's not cringey. That shit was awful. It would have been awful if it was for the men as well

Or it could have said they left as footballers and returned as heroes. It's not particularly difficult to get right. The FA are generally inept.

 

[Judge Jules]

Yes, I'm all for equality, but not sure how this advances it,

It doesn't. If anything it sets it back, by making most any criticism of prejudice seem like extremist nonsense.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Equality makes sense when it's not based on relativistic ideologies.

How soon will there be a new people group who demand equality and rights to say, for instance, shag sheep ?

Sadly this is what's happening to societies. Everyone wants to live their lives on their own terms and rules, demanding others to respect their rights, yet without the mutual respect for others who live theirs differently. So what gives, then ?

 

[gkmacca]

James Callow

Content editor at the FA. Has apologised but said it wasn't sexist and that he would have done the same for the men's team.

He'd call the men 'lionesses'? Fair enough.

 

[gene hughes]

Equality makes sense when it's not based on relativistic ideologies.

How soon will there be a new people group who demand equality and rights to say, for instance, shag sheep ?

Sadly this is what's happening to societies. Everyone wants to live their lives on their own terms and rules, demanding others to respect their rights, yet without the mutual respect for others who live theirs differently. So what gives, then ?

What relativistic ideologies?

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

What relativistic ideologies?

Ideologies that are dictated by each person's own moral prerogative.

 

[Aidan O' Neill]

James Callow

Content editor at the FA. Has apologised but said it wasn't sexist and that he would have done the same for the men's team.

He would never have said they go back to being husbands and fathers. It was at very best poorly worded. You'd wonder why they employ stupid people to be in charge of their social media.

 

[Judge Jules]

Maybe the guy from the FA should have known better, but IMO the fact that he didn't isn't simply down to stupidity. This whole area has been turned into a minefield - with the FA itself playing a leading role in the process - because it's got so far away from anything approaching common sense that, for anyone commenting publicly, it's difficult to know what is or isn't "allowed". The ridiculous stick Jocky took for using the word "coloured", which others have mentioned above, is a case in point.

 

[gene hughes]

Ideologies that are dictated by each person's own moral prerogative.

What other kinds of ideologies are there?

 

[Mamma Mia]

Equality makes sense when it's not based on relativistic ideologies.

How soon will there be a new people group who demand equality and rights to say, for instance, shag sheep ?

Sadly this is what's happening to societies. Everyone wants to live their lives on their own terms and rules, demanding others to respect their rights, yet without the mutual respect for others who live theirs differently. So what gives, then ?

Whoah. Say what you mean chap.

By the way, it's trickier with sheep because it's difficult to establish consent.

 

[Judge Jules]

Casey Stoney has just said that the tweet at the centre of all this was only telling it like it is, and was absolutely not sexist in any way.

Will some idiot, frothing at the mouth with synthetic indignation, now call her a traitor to her gender?

 

[fusspot]

This tweet caused a bit of a meltdown yesterday.. Personally I don't see much wrong with it..

Sexist its being called.. Argument for Stereotypical and maybe patronising.. but Sexist no...


Would a similar tweet saying;

'Our #Lions go back to being Fathers, Partners and Sons today, but they have taken another title - heroes'

be any different?

I think the difference being that such a tweet would never have been made about the Lions in the first place.

 

[gkmacca]

The more pertinent point is that the FA got so excited after an England team once again failed to reach a final. No footballing country rewards failure like England does.

 

[Fabio]

The more pertinent point is that the FA got so excited after an England team once again failed to reach a final. No footballing country rewards failure like England does.

No doubt MBE and OBE will be flying about soon enough

Absolutely pathetic

 

[Woland]

I wish we knew what Graham thought of all this.

 

[Rosco]

It's both patronising and sexist. Patronising because it's suggesting that now the world cup is over these professional athletes are going back to being mothers and daughters etc. They're still footballers. They were daughters and mothers and partners during the world cup. There's no transformation that takes place. The women football team just finished 3rd in the World Cup, something the men's team probably won't get close to doing for another 50 years, and the FA have tweeted the equivalent of a pat on the head.

Sexist because there's no fucking way the FA would do something similar for the men.

Have you and the 20+ people who like your comment anything to say following Casey's comments?

 

[Best Believe It]

Have you and the 20+ people who like your comment anything to say following Casey's comments?

Is her's somehow the definitive opinion on whether something is patronising and/or sexist? And should I base my opinion on whether something is patronising and/or sexist based on what someone else thinks? I didn't say that the Women's Football Team should find it patronising and sexist, I just said that I did. If she, or anyone on this forum disagrees with me, they're entitled to their opinion. It doesn't change mine.

 

[Judge Jules]

In this case yes, I'd say her opinion, and those of the colleagues of hers whom I've heard since saying the same thing, are definitive. The only coherent reason for protesting the tweet in the first place would be if it were in some way harmful to those directly affected by it, and they themselves have now dismissed that idea.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

You know it's funny...i'm fortunate to have been to many parts of the world and have stayed in various continents too.

UK is probably the only place, IMO, that I find people making a big deal with the usage of the word 'patronising'. I mean, people trip up over the slightest things especially in the English-speaking countries.

Come over to Asia, and try saying this to people's faces 'Don't you ever patronize me'. Nobody gives a real shit to be honest. 'Cos most people are too busy worrying about real world issues such as - corruption, poverty, oppression, modern day slavery, systemic persecution, human rights abuse, trafficking, prostitution, etc.

 

[cloggypop]

*pats MBBR on the head*

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

i think you're gonna have to climb a ladder to do that mate. i'm so much taller than you.

 

[cloggypop]

I'm 8 foot 6.