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Feel like he deserves his own thread, since a fee of 18 mil has been accepted for Kelleher.

I remember the days of shit keepers, pretty much before Allison, and maybe 4 seasons of Pepe? And then somehow with Ali, one of the best in the world, and Kelleher, surely good enough to start for almost any other side. Have we ever had such a good one-two, back in the days?

More than anything else I grateful that Ali and Kelleher have made me forget about Karius and Kyiv. Hope he takes several points off all our rivals next season and inexplicably lets in a last minute winner against us.
 
He's a good keeper is Kells, if perhaps not a little overrated by some.....the shouts for him to stay in the team over Ali while he was making his way back from injury was outrageous.

Now he finally gets to prove to himself and everyone just how good he really can be over a full season. Wish him all the well.
 
Hopefully it's 18m with clauses.

Buy back and percentage of next sale if we don't bring him back.

Stuff like that.
 
this might be a combination of the club ‘looking after’ him for staying longer than he wanted to and him being in the final year of his contract.

to be honest i thought he’d maybe land a spot at a better club, i like brentford but it looks like villa might be after a keeper and maybe a few others who are much more likely to win things.
 
I am a bit sad - as I think he has proven himself to be a #1 in a title winning team for that 10 game spell he did, and the Georigian seems an unknown still.

For Queevin I am kinda happy, he's going to be starting in a decent team (depending if they hold on to their attackers) although will be funny seeing Kelleher with SVDDB as a CB ahead of him both looking assured in the PL.

I feel the deal was related to Wirtz as it was required to enable Bayer to get Flekken, and hopefully we have made that concession and it will help us in wider deals.

Easily the best #2 I can think of at any team, and stepped up many times.
 
I wish ll the best for the guy. He's never let anyone down and deserves to be a #1 somewhere. Thanks for everything, Caoimhín.
 
£12.5M rising to £18M seems ridiculous if true.

It couldn't be some horse trading thing relating to an out-of-leftfield deal for Mbuemo or something, could it?
 
Seemingly Kelleher's junior club in Cork, Ringmahon Rangers, are due a slice of the transfer fee as well.
Probably a couple of million.
 
We could possibly have negotiated this for a while and maybe sold him to Leeds instead after a bidding war, but I'm fine with us doing Leverkusen a favor and maybe respecting the wish Kelleher had in terms of a new club.

All in all, fine.
 
I do wonder whether there's been a behind closed doors agreement with the player - you hang about and provide cover for us this season and we'll do a deal on your fee in the summer so you can go somewhere you're happy with and they'll still have some money left in their budget for your salary. 12 months left or not, he's worth more than we're selling him for.
 
Apologies, I put up a post explaining that Kev's former club would likely only get solidarity under FIFA's regs, but actually this transfer wouldn't trigger that - it needs to be a transfer from one FA to another, and since we and Brentford are the same association that isn't triggered.
So I think, in all likelihood, they get nothing. They would have been entitled to a small-ish amount of training compensation when he moved to us, but they won't get anything on this deal.
However, if Brentford were to sell him to a foreign club, they'd get a small cut of that (and so would we).
 
Very low fee. Surely, we could have got 30-40M if his contract was renewed last year. Another mess in the transition?

Or making up for the large fees they paid for Sepp and Fabio?
 
I think it's a bit much to expect to get 40 mil for what is now clearly our third choice, with a year to go.

We'd have been assholes to get him to do an extension while signing a new heir apparent, and he'd have been an idiot to go along with it.

I think beamriders right, we've done the right thing here, for everyone, after prior discussions, and still made a chunk of change.
 
Beamrider said:
Apologies, I put up a post explaining that Kev's former club would likely only get solidarity under FIFA's regs, but actually this transfer wouldn't trigger that - it needs to be a transfer from one FA to another, and since we and Brentford are the same association that isn't triggered.
So I think, in all likelihood, they get nothing. They would have been entitled to a small-ish amount of training compensation when he moved to us, but they won't get anything on this deal.
However, if Brentford were to sell him to a foreign club, they'd get a small cut of that (and so would we).
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Have they got this totally wrong?


Cork amateur soccer club Ringmahon Rangers are in line for a reported €3million payday with their former goalkeeper Caoimhín Kelleher on the verge of a move from Liverpool to Brentford.

Kelleher came up through the age grades at Ringmahon and eventually lined out for their senior team before making the move to Liverpool in 2015.

The Cork club are understood to have agreed a 20% sell-on fee with Liverpool when Kelleher moved to Merseyside and are set for a windfall payment in the coming days.

With Kelleher now poised to switch from Liverpool to Brentford for an initial €16million, potentially rising to €21.3million with add-on fees, Ringmahon are set to receive what would be the largest ever sell-on payment received by an Irish club.

That payment would eclipse the €2million Shamrock Rovers got from Gavin Bazunu's move from Manchester City to Southampton.

The 26-year-old, who has a year left on his contract at Anfield, played over a quarter of the champions' Premier League matches this season when first choice Alisson Becker was injured.

His move away from the Merseyside club has been heavily reported, with Giorgi Mamardashvili joining the club in July after Liverpool confirmed the signature of the Valencia keeper last summer.

The switch to west London comes with 31-year-old Bees keeper Mark Flekken set to join Bundesliga side Bayer Leverkusen.

Kelleher's initial journey from Ringmahon to Liverpool is the kind of move that can no longer happen, following Brexit.

Since the UK left the European Union, Premier League clubs are no longer allowed to sign players from the EU before the player turns 18, as is the case under FIFA rules, and young players must also meet a strict criteria in order to move.
 
the count said:
Have they got this totally wrong?


Cork amateur soccer club Ringmahon Rangers are in line for a reported €3million payday with their former goalkeeper Caoimhín Kelleher on the verge of a move from Liverpool to Brentford.

Kelleher came up through the age grades at Ringmahon and eventually lined out for their senior team before making the move to Liverpool in 2015.

The Cork club are understood to have agreed a 20% sell-on fee with Liverpool when Kelleher moved to Merseyside and are set for a windfall payment in the coming days.

With Kelleher now poised to switch from Liverpool to Brentford for an initial €16million, potentially rising to €21.3million with add-on fees, Ringmahon are set to receive what would be the largest ever sell-on payment received by an Irish club.

That payment would eclipse the €2million Shamrock Rovers got from Gavin Bazunu's move from Manchester City to Southampton.

The 26-year-old, who has a year left on his contract at Anfield, played over a quarter of the champions' Premier League matches this season when first choice Alisson Becker was injured.

His move away from the Merseyside club has been heavily reported, with Giorgi Mamardashvili joining the club in July after Liverpool confirmed the signature of the Valencia keeper last summer.

The switch to west London comes with 31-year-old Bees keeper Mark Flekken set to join Bundesliga side Bayer Leverkusen.

Kelleher's initial journey from Ringmahon to Liverpool is the kind of move that can no longer happen, following Brexit.

Since the UK left the European Union, Premier League clubs are no longer allowed to sign players from the EU before the player turns 18, as is the case under FIFA rules, and young players must also meet a strict criteria in order to move.
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I think they may have it wrong here. He joined us at 16, so he wouldn't have been under a pro contract (you can't sign pro terms until 17) and the article states that they are an amateur club anyway, so he still couldn't be a pro. That essentially means that there should not have been a transfer agreement between his old club and us, and that's where any sell-on clause would sit. The transfer agreement covers the terms for the transfer of a player's registration as a professional - that's the "asset" that is worth money.
I might be missing something but I'm pretty sure we would have effectively signed him as a free agent so we wouldn't even have needed Ringmahon's consent.
 
Beamrider said:
I think they may have it wrong here. He joined us at 16, so he wouldn't have been under a pro contract (you can't sign pro terms until 17) and the article states that they are an amateur club anyway, so he still couldn't be a pro. That essentially means that there should not have been a transfer agreement between his old club and us, and that's where any sell-on clause would sit. The transfer agreement covers the terms for the transfer of a player's registration as a professional - that's the "asset" that is worth money.
I might be missing something but I'm pretty sure we would have effectively signed him as a free agent so we wouldn't even have needed Ringmahon's consent.
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Cheers mate.
I definitely trust your opinion over a journo who is probably just repeating random speculation he heard.
 
I may be wrong on this, but I'd be surprised if we structured the deal so we'd have to pay a sell-on when we could have just signed him as a free agent. I don't recall there being any competition for him which would have required us to do a deal with his club, and if we had done a deal, I'm pretty sure there'd have been an up-front fee too.
I did notice that all the sources quoting the sell-on seem to have come from Ireland, so it doesn't look like LFC has briefed anything on this (but then they haven't denied it either).
 
This, from the Irish Examiner article, may be the nuance I am missing. The analysis may be different where the seller is an amateur club (i.e. FIFA imposes a code of conduct from pro clubs that doesn't apply to amateur ones) but I'm not sure if this is a the case. I'm sure Ringmahon won't stay silent if and when they get their money.

"Fifa statutes set out mandatory percentages of transfer fees payable between clubs under training and compensation but grassroots outfits are free to hatch their own private terms."
 
Farkmaster said:
I think it's a bit much to expect to get 40 mil for what is now clearly our third choice, with a year to go.

We'd have been assholes to get him to do an extension while signing a new heir apparent, and he'd have been an idiot to go along with it.

I think beamriders right, we've done the right thing here, for everyone, after prior discussions, and still made a chunk of change.
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Yeah you're right. It's just a really good price for Brentford, but we did good business on Fabio and Sepp
 
Beamrider said:
This, from the Irish Examiner article, may be the nuance I am missing. The analysis may be different where the seller is an amateur club (i.e. FIFA imposes a code of conduct from pro clubs that doesn't apply to amateur ones) but I'm not sure if this is a the case. I'm sure Ringmahon won't stay silent if and when they get their money.

"Fifa statutes set out mandatory percentages of transfer fees payable between clubs under training and compensation but grassroots outfits are free to hatch their own private terms."
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Yes. BUT, Irish media can be poor with business reporting in my experience, not very nuanced at all.
 
A shame, but I entirely understand it. Must be a bastard being behind the worlds best.
 
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