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Deal for Gael Clichy rumoured

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when clichy was at his peak at arsenal he was excellent, sometimes it's worth taking a gamble to purchase a player in a obvious slump and attempt to make him recapture his best form. sometimes players just get stale at their club and need a fresh challenge, i.e. riise.
 
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when clichy was at his peak at arsenal he was excellent, sometimes it's worth taking a gamble to purchase a player in a obvious slump and attempt to make him recapture his best form. sometimes players just get stale at their club and need a fresh challenge, i.e. riise.
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totally agree and it's not a huge gamble at 5 million
 
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Of course he would, he picks the team. What would be the point in Camoli going out and signing a bunch of players for Kenny to never play them?!
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why do you need comolli at all then?
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Comolli confirmed that Kenny gets the final say on all players. I just cant be bothered to look for the article.
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Wasn't there a report saying transfer targets will be decided by three-man panel of Damien Comolli, the manager and chief executive?

Director of football, manager and chief executive can each veto a move.
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well, i for one can definitely see that working very efficiently indeed without causing any friction or resentment whatsoever.
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It does when you have grown ups working together.
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it'll work as long as there's ultimately one person with the final say and the other 2 are aware of and happy with who that is.

the idea that somehow 3 people with strong characters and their own minds can just be relied upon to agree, simply because they're nice and mature, is massively wishful thinking imo - and the idea that each could veto the other would be a recipe for chaos.
 
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when clichy was at his peak at arsenal he was excellent, sometimes it's worth taking a gamble to purchase a player in a obvious slump and attempt to make him recapture his best form. sometimes players just get stale at their club and need a fresh challenge, i.e. riise.
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Agreed. And Arsenal have had a poor back four for a few seasons anyway, sometimes poor fullbacks have a knock on effect on the centre backs and vice versa.

The only thing with this is that we now have to put up with Glock reminding us how he used to tell us Clichy was the best left back in the Premiership, when he was still warming the bench watching Cashley. It's almost worth signing him just to watch him flop.
 
It's always difficult to see how that could work; but the alternative is to give the manager carte blanche for everything..which I actually think is preferable when the manager has excellent scouting contacts and knows exactly what he's trying to achieve.

We havent done so good over the past 10 odd years unfortunately, so I hope this works out.

There've been loads of players in our squad that we look at and ask 'WHY'... if this works, we might avoid a lot of that.

If it doesnt we'll definitely see conflict and resignations galore.
 
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It's always difficult to see how that could work; but the alternative is to give the manager carte blanche for everything..which I actually think is preferable when the manager has excellent scouting contacts and knows exactly what he's trying to achieve.

We havent done so good over the past 10 odd years unfortunately, so I hope this works out.

There've been loads of players in our squad that we look at and ask 'WHY'... if this works, we might avoid a lot of that.

If it doesnt we'll definitely see conflict and resignations galore.

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i definitely don't think one person should just have 100% control over the budget - not that i think that's ever really happened, anyway - because you need checks and balances, but i do think you'll run into problems without one person ultimately being in charge. i also think that while having 2 people involved would probably lead to fewer major fuck ups, as you say, it might also mean a more timid and risk-averse approach with fewer really inspired signings - typical of management by committee, basically.

could this even be why our current targets seem to lack that bit of glamour and imagination? henderson and downing, for example - possibly safe compromises but are they actually anyone's first choices?

just an idle theory, of course.
 
Have any "glamour" signings been made yet? I would of thought they'd mostly be happening nearer the end of the transfer window.
 
well i think it's *reasonably* safe to say that we've got a decent idea of who our main targets are/were:

henderson
jones/cahill
enrique/clichy
downing/young
adam
wickham
 
I'm not so sure Pete.

I'd obviously agree that we'll be interested in quite a few of those players, but i expect a few more targets along the Mata lines to come to light as we get further into the transfer window
 
I agree. No one mentioned Henderson until a day or two before it was done.

By the way, I hate hearing people say that 'for 5m Clichy's worth a punt'. He's either good enough or he isn't, lads.
 
Clichy isn't very good. If we play with him and Johnson expect ultimate merk and brappage down our flanks
 
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It's always difficult to see how that could work; but the alternative is to give the manager carte blanche for everything..which I actually think is preferable when the manager has excellent scouting contacts and knows exactly what he's trying to achieve.

We havent done so good over the past 10 odd years unfortunately, so I hope this works out.

There've been loads of players in our squad that we look at and ask 'WHY'... if this works, we might avoid a lot of that.

If it doesnt we'll definitely see conflict and resignations galore.

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i definitely don't think one person should just have 100% control over the budget - not that i think that's ever really happened, anyway - because you need checks and balances, but i do think you'll run into problems without one person ultimately being in charge. i also think that while having 2 people involved would probably lead to fewer major fuck ups, as you say, it might also mean a more timid and risk-averse approach with fewer really inspired signings - typical of management by committee, basically.

could this even be why our current targets seem to lack that bit of glamour and imagination? henderson and downing, for example - possibly safe compromises but are they actually anyone's first choices?

just an idle theory, of course.
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I'm almost certain there was a quote from Comolli, maybe a couple of months ago, saying that KD has the final say.
 
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well i think it's *reasonably* safe to say that we've got a decent idea of who our main targets are/were:

henderson
jones/cahill
enrique/clichy
downing/young
adam
wickham

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... or not.

It's not like Kenny to let it be known to all and sundry exactly who we're after.
 
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It's always difficult to see how that could work; but the alternative is to give the manager carte blanche for everything..which I actually think is preferable when the manager has excellent scouting contacts and knows exactly what he's trying to achieve.

We havent done so good over the past 10 odd years unfortunately, so I hope this works out.

There've been loads of players in our squad that we look at and ask 'WHY'... if this works, we might avoid a lot of that.

If it doesnt we'll definitely see conflict and resignations galore.

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i definitely don't think one person should just have 100% control over the budget - not that i think that's ever really happened, anyway - because you need checks and balances, but i do think you'll run into problems without one person ultimately being in charge. i also think that while having 2 people involved would probably lead to fewer major fuck ups, as you say, it might also mean a more timid and risk-averse approach with fewer really inspired signings - typical of management by committee, basically.

could this even be why our current targets seem to lack that bit of glamour and imagination? henderson and downing, for example - possibly safe compromises but are they actually anyone's first choices?

just an idle theory, of course.
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Suarez being the obvious exception, and I don't think Carroll is a 'safe' signing either. I prefer to believe that we're adding depth to our squad, something Henry was 'shocked' about. Whatever it is, though, our list of targets is hardly setting my pulse racing. Dalglish said 'we would only sign players who will vastly improve a position' and then we go and spend £20M on Henderson. Fuck knows what's going on really.
 
I think Clichy would be excellent for us I love him. With the right coaching he could be one of the best left backs in world football.
 
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I agree. No one mentioned Henderson until a day or two before it was done.

By the way, I hate hearing people say that 'for 5m Clichy's worth a punt'. He's either good enough or he isn't, lads.
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I think the theory goes that at £5M he's worth gambling on us being able to improve his defending.

FWIW I was chatting about Clichy with a Gooner mate the other day who said he had better positional sense than Clichy who was always the wrong side of his man or some other glaring and basic error. The other thing he said was that whenever he missed a game due to work and found out the result later - if it was ever because they gave away a penalty he automatically went "Clichy?" - and it always was.

He was looking forward to getting rid
 
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It's always difficult to see how that could work; but the alternative is to give the manager carte blanche for everything..which I actually think is preferable when the manager has excellent scouting contacts and knows exactly what he's trying to achieve.

We havent done so good over the past 10 odd years unfortunately, so I hope this works out.

There've been loads of players in our squad that we look at and ask 'WHY'... if this works, we might avoid a lot of that.

If it doesnt we'll definitely see conflict and resignations galore.

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i definitely don't think one person should just have 100% control over the budget - not that i think that's ever really happened, anyway - because you need checks and balances, but i do think you'll run into problems without one person ultimately being in charge. i also think that while having 2 people involved would probably lead to fewer major fuck ups, as you say, it might also mean a more timid and risk-averse approach with fewer really inspired signings - typical of management by committee, basically.

could this even be why our current targets seem to lack that bit of glamour and imagination? henderson and downing, for example - possibly safe compromises but are they actually anyone's first choices?

just an idle theory, of course.
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Suarez being the obvious exception, and I don't think Carroll is a 'safe' signing either. I prefer to believe that we're adding depth to our squad, something Henry was 'shocked' about. Whatever it is, though, our list of targets is hardly setting my pulse racing. Dalglish said 'we would only sign players who will vastly improve a position' and then we go and spend £20M on Henderson. Fuck knows what's going on really.
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IMO Henderson will vastly improve our RM options.
 
Depends on one's definition of "top RM". Judging by what John Henry has said over time, FSG seem to take the view that there's a balance to be struck between what a player can bring to the team immediately and what he'll develop into as time passes. The lad is clearly a player Kenny likes, and he fits the owners' criteria (Comolli's presumably run the stats rule over him too). It's a process that's worked for FSG elsewhere and, with Kenny now secure in the manager's chair, it's a process I'm willing to support at LFC unless/until I see evidence to suggest that I shouldn't.
 
For 5 million youll be hard pressed to find a better left back than Clichy. I think it would be a great deal if this goes through and a hell of a lot better than Enrique for double the price!

Hello everyone by the way!
 
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For 5 million youll be hard pressed to find a better left back than Clichy. I think it would be a great deal if this goes through and a hell of a lot better than Enrique for double the price!

Hello everyone by the way!
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Hello and welcome to the site.
 
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For 5 million youll be hard pressed to find a better left back than Clichy. I think it would be a great deal if this goes through and a hell of a lot better than Enrique for double the price!

Hello everyone by the way!
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Welcome mate.

Doesn't matter if he costs £5m or even nothing, if he can't defend, what's the point mate?

I'll not be happy if we sign this dud.
 
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For 5 million youll be hard pressed to find a better left back than Clichy. I think it would be a great deal if this goes through and a hell of a lot better than Enrique for double the price!

Hello everyone by the way!
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Maybe we should spend a bit more then?

(Welcome)
 
il be happy to take the gamble on him, worst scenario is we'll have to go back to puttin glenjo back on the left, and im okay with this
 
True we could spend more but i would rather the big money be spent on our attacking options. I dont think we will have enough cash to spend big on every position that needs addressing and yes hes not the best defender but neither was johnson when he arrived. Hopefully Kenny and Clarke can help him out in this department.
 
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there is nothing to be gained by adding him to the wage bill. he's not even as good as our current options for left back
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Aurelio?

Okay, but a fit Clichy is better than a broken Fabio.

Johnson?

He's a right back. Fair doos he can and has played there, but it's not his position.

Kelly?

See Johnson and add injury prone.

Robinson?

Too early to tell.

He's better than our current options, because our current options don't really exist
 
even if all those three were injured, in that case id rather see robinson or flanagan get some more games. clichy is pointless. you'd only sign him if you are worried that you'll have an injury crisis with a semi-final against barcelona coming up. and rest assured when you picked the experienced clichy, he would proceed to get murdered by the other teams winger anyway
 
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