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Gettin’ Guehi with it

I've kind of assumed that if Guehi is signed, that's the end of either Gomez or Konate at the club, maybe not in this window, but in one of the next two.
 
Do we still need him this season with the Italian boy in? Even if he comes when will he play?

We can either get him in Jan for 10-15m or on a free next season.

Palace can choose to play hardball but they have nothing on us.
He'll play plenty, and in truth he may be a welcome alternative to Ibou's vacillating performances- one day a monster, the other indecisive, or rash, a mistake waiting to happen. Guehi will offer stability and leadership that we will find plenty of use for.
 
Do we still need him this season with the Italian boy in? Even if he comes when will he play?

We can either get him in Jan for 10-15m or on a free next season.

Palace can choose to play hardball but they have nothing on us.

We do need Guehi IMO. Leoni's a great prospect but as far as the Prem is concerned he's still just that, a prospect, and if we go a long way in all four competitions we'll have a shedload of games to play. If things don't work out this window I would mos def go back in for Guehi next January.
 
Do we still need him this season with the Italian boy in? Even if he comes when will he play?

We can either get him in Jan for 10-15m or on a free next season.

Palace can choose to play hardball but they have nothing on us.

I imagine that is one of the reasons it has dragged on.

Guehi will want to play and he will know that Slot is not likely to be rotating the defence very much. I would guess that if Liverpool had promised him he would start he'd have pushed for the move a bit more.

If he do sign him he would end up playing a lot though, I am sure.
 
He'll play plenty, and in truth he may be a welcome alternative to Ibou's vacillating performances- one day a monster, the other indecisive, or rash, a mistake waiting to happen. Guehi will offer stability and leadership that we will find plenty of use for.
If we drop Ibou for Guehi, he is definitely leaving for a free if he has not already decided. That's 35m spent and a player we pissed off for free.

Meanwhile, the question is if Palace are holding out for 35-40m, do we still go ahead. Of course I prefer him in, he is a quality defender. But the argument is the situation is not as critical as when we didn't have the 4th CB and that's 35-40m saved this season to direct towards Isak or someone else. We could get both Isak and Fofana for example.

IMO, from now till Jan will be a good time to assess Ibou / Gomez / Leoni. We could still strike in Jan at a cheaper price if need be.
 
If we drop Ibou for Guehi, he is definitely leaving for a free if he has not already decided. That's 35m spent and a player we pissed off for free.

Meanwhile, the question is if Palace are holding out for 35-40m, do we still go ahead. Of course I prefer him in, he is a quality defender. But the argument is the situation is not as critical as when we didn't have the 4th CB and that's 35-40m saved this season to direct towards Isak or someone else. We could get both Isak and Fofana for example.

IMO, from now till Jan will be a good time to assess Ibou / Gomez / Leoni. We could still strike in Jan at a cheaper price if need be.
I’m just not of the mind that you can (with any confidence) include Gomez in a roster of 4 CBs. Add in Konate’s tendency to pick up short term knocks and we’re approaching our title defence with an air of risk we don’t need to.
Just get Guehi in, he’s a bargain at that price anyway.
 
Do we still need him this season with the Italian boy in? Even if he comes when will he play?

We can either get him in Jan for 10-15m or on a free next season.

Palace can choose to play hardball but they have nothing on us.
On recent form he'd go straight in for Ibou (who's had 135 minutes more than Quansah got).
Palace's financial model is interesting.
Last season, with the sale of Olise and one or two others, was the first time in 6 seasons that they'd made significant sales (in value terms). In the previous 5 years, their TOTAL transfer profit was £11.8m (and most of that was in 2021).
Unlike a lot of mid-tier clubs, they don't work on a business model of selling players on at huge profits to balance the books. They happily trundle along making modest losses (by PL standards) and keeping hold of their key players. After their trading last summer, they probably don't need to make sales this summer for FFP purposes (UEFA version, PL will not be an issue), and if they did they will be golden after selling Eze. So they won't be under pressure to sell Guehi, and he's showing no signs of kicking off to make a move happen.
Which means we either pay a decent price (closer to their ask than our offer) or they'll happily hang on to him, because that's what they do.
 
If we drop Ibou for Guehi, he is definitely leaving for a free if he has not already decided. That's 35m spent and a player we pissed off for free.

Meanwhile, the question is if Palace are holding out for 35-40m, do we still go ahead. Of course I prefer him in, he is a quality defender. But the argument is the situation is not as critical as when we didn't have the 4th CB and that's 35-40m saved this season to direct towards Isak or someone else. We could get both Isak and Fofana for example.

IMO, from now till Jan will be a good time to assess Ibou / Gomez / Leoni. We could still strike in Jan at a cheaper price if need be.
Well that depends on objectives / ambition for this season. With Guehi we clearly have the depth to challenge on multiple fronts, without I doubt we do.
 
I'm not sure why we've dragged our heels over this. He's 25, is regularly in the England set-up, is Prem ready, captain material. What's not to like? Why are we haggling over a couple of million at what is already a much-reduced valuation if we think he's the right guy for us? Palace refused £65M for him last season.
 
On recent form he'd go straight in for Ibou (who's had 135 minutes more than Quansah got).
Palace's financial model is interesting.
Last season, with the sale of Olise and one or two others, was the first time in 6 seasons that they'd made significant sales (in value terms). In the previous 5 years, their TOTAL transfer profit was £11.8m (and most of that was in 2021).
Unlike a lot of mid-tier clubs, they don't work on a business model of selling players on at huge profits to balance the books. They happily trundle along making modest losses (by PL standards) and keeping hold of their key players. After their trading last summer, they probably don't need to make sales this summer for FFP purposes (UEFA version, PL will not be an issue), and if they did they will be golden after selling Eze. So they won't be under pressure to sell Guehi, and he's showing no signs of kicking off to make a move happen.
Which means we either pay a decent price (closer to their ask than our offer) or they'll happily hang on to him, because that's what they do.
Hasn't Steve Parish said on a couple of occasions that they can't afford to let Guehi leave on a free, so they either have to sell him now or get him to see sign a new contract, which is unlikely
 
Is he as clever as Simon Jordan, though? That's the standard.
You got me, it was Jordan I was thinking of, not Parish.
If Jordan knew half as much as he thinks he knows he'd know twice as much as he does.
It irritates the hell out of me that he's paraded as some kind of guru. He understands some of it, but nowhere near as much as he thinks.
 
You got me, it was Jordan I was thinking of, not Parish.
If Jordan knew half as much as he thinks he knows he'd know twice as much as he does.
It irritates the hell out of me that he's paraded as some kind of guru. He understands some of it, but nowhere near as much as he thinks.

He's an absolute wally.
 
Yeah and his well of fancy words always runs dry after a couple of sentences anyway, so it's stuff like "and one might surmise young Mr Isak on the discovery of his undeniable reality when awaking on September 2nd still on the payroll of Newcastle Utd, that he will be feeling very much sick as a parrot and bloody well stuck, and I for one wouldn't give a proverbial fig."
 
Can't have it both ways Stevie boy, either you give in (& take the £30-35m next week).....or you give up (lose him on a free in 12 months).
 
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