Gettin’ Guehi with it

[Buddha]

Yeah not sure about that. Konate is super rapid, Konate is a bulldozer and can not be bullied, Konate has the height and is invaluable on crosses. I know which one I'd choose every day of the week. That said maybe Guehi next to VvD could possibly realise the potential for improvement.

It’s tricky because - apart from natural aggression - they aren’t too similar. For all Konate’s pace and power, he’s also somewhat streakier in form, is prone to lapses in concentration when off form and still isn’t the most comfortable on the ball. Guehi is a genuine leader, seems ultra consistent regards form and injuries, and is more comfortable on the ball.

I think (if under a long contract) they’re both 70-75m players.

 

[Frogfish]

It’s tricky because - apart from natural aggression - they aren’t too similar. For all Konate’s pace and power, he’s also somewhat streakier in form, is prone to lapses in concentration when off form and still isn’t the most comfortable on the ball. Guehi is a genuine leader, seems ultra consistent regards form and injuries, and is more comfortable on the ball.

I think (if under a long contract) they’re both 70-75m players.

Interesting. How to balance those pros and cons in a Slot team!

 

[bluebell]

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[SummerOnions]

I hope we give him a chant to I like the way you move by outkast

 

[The Nomad]

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Did you just get flabbed?

 

[bluebell]

Did you just get flabbed?

looks like I did

 

[Fabio]

Fucking flabbed like a green motherfucker.

Hate to see it

 

[Glen C]

Exactly how I see it. I mean just why would we? Sabotage our defence for £30m when we have no idea how Guehi will work out?

I've always felt and still feel that if we are signing guehi it's because they've given up on konate signing a new deal. No way he's coming to be 3rd choice in world cup year and no way are we gonna let konate go on a free. You say only 30m but that's still a lot of money plus his wages. We're not city or Chelsea that can easily just write off that money.

 

[dogboy]

I've always felt and still feel that if we are signing guehi it's because they've given up on konate signing a new deal. No way he's coming to be 3rd choice in world cup year and no way are we gonna let konate go on a free. You say only 30m but that's still a lot of money plus his wages. We're not city or Chelsea that can easily just write off that money.

I also think we need to take draw a line in the sand as well.

 

[localny]

I don’t like these last year of contract merchants. I’d sooner sell the fecker now and get the $ in.

Sets the tone. Don’t want to sign. Fine. Reserves

 

[Frogfish]

I've always felt and still feel that if we are signing guehi it's because they've given up on konate signing a new deal. No way he's coming to be 3rd choice in world cup year and no way are we gonna let konate go on a free. You say only 30m but that's still a lot of money plus his wages. We're not city or Chelsea that can easily just write off that money.

Big picture - winning the PL and/or CL (for which having quality strength in depth is required) eclipses £30m in the bank every day of the week.

 

[Frogfish]

I also think we need to take draw a line in the sand as well.

As if that will affect the strategies fo an agent representing an 'under paid' player (Diaz and Konate). Of course we don't know what Konate is asking for so.

 

[Frogfish]

I don’t like these last year of contract merchants. I’d sooner sell the fecker now and get the $ in.

Sets the tone. Don’t want to sign. Fine. Reserves

Yep let's cut our nose off to spite our face. Wonderful.

 

[localny]

Yep let's cut our nose off to spite our face. Wonderful.

No sir,

1. Helps prevent future situations.
2, Helps bring either a world cup 2026 player to heel
3. or helps resolve contract issue in a manner suitable to us (sign an extension so we can get a fee)
4. Aaaand Generate income for replacement.

With minimal risk of player being ok with being sidelined

So many benefits to taking a tougher line, instead of letting an injury prone player/asset who will miss many games anyway in 2025-2026 go on a free next year.

Not only will we have our nose, but we'll have got a rhinoplasty and a facelift too! Win!



.

 

[MomoWASright]

As if that will affect the strategies fo an agent representing an 'under paid' player (Diaz and Konate). Of course we don't know what Konate is asking for so.

Stupid pricks need to have a word with their agent then.

 

[Woland]

I hope we keep konate just for depth, but if we got this lad and another as good as him I'd be happy for him to leave. The issue is numbers, with Q already gone, this it's just us getting back to where we started.

 

[Frogfish]

No sir,

1. Helps prevent future situations.
2, Helps bring either a world cup 2026 player to heel
3. or helps resolve contract issue in a manner suitable to us (sign an extension so we can get a fee)
4. Aaaand Generate income for replacement.

With minimal risk of player being ok with being sidelined

So many benefits to taking a tougher line, instead of letting an injury prone player/asset who will miss many games anyway in 2025-2026 go on a free next year.

Not only will we have our nose, but we'll have got a rhinoplasty and a facelift too! Win!



.

1. Does it? Really? Like Trent did?
2. See above
3. See above
4. Who will cost a lot more because we would be losing a world class player (or sticking him in the reserves if we follow your directions). Better to pay him, tie him to a 3-4 year contract and then sell him next year if we are no longer on the same page.

There is a fine line between playing tough (see our stance with Trent, Salah and VvD - none of whom were consigned to the reserves, as if we would) and chewing your own nuts off.

 

[Frogfish]

Stupid pricks need to have a word with their agent then.

Most footballers are brain dead and agents can easily manipulate them.

 

[Hyena]

Guehi is key to getting Konate to sign.

It lets him know he isn't indispensable and makes the option of rotting in the reserves thing a reality.

 

[Hyena]

1. Does it? Really? Like Trent did?
2. See above
3. See above
4. Who will cost a lot more because we would be losing a world class player (or sticking him in the reserves if we follow your directions). Better to pay him, tie him to a 3-4 year contract and then sell him next year if we are no longer on the same page.

There is a fine line between playing tough (see our stance with Trent, Salah and VvD - none of whom were consigned to the reserves, as if we would) and chewing your own nuts off.

If you are not Salah, VVD or Trent then you don't get to play stupid games. Arsenal, City and Chelsea wouldn't put up with this shit and neither should we.

 

[localny]

1. Does it? Really? Like Trent did?
2. See above
3. See above
4. Who will cost a lot more because we would be losing a world class player (or sticking him in the reserves if we follow your directions). Better to pay him, tie him to a 3-4 year contract and then sell him next year if we are no longer on the same page.

There is a fine line between playing tough (see our stance with Trent, Salah and VvD - none of whom were consigned to the reserves, as if we would) and chewing your own nuts off.

Well that’s the point really regarding points 1, 2 and 3. Trent and Konate are part of the same problem that was created during the managerial transition.

I’m totally in favor of giving him a bumper contract - but bang him in the non existent reserves if he messes around. Also Signjng Guehi will help the cause

The guy wants to play the World Cup next year. Use that and force a scenario in your favor. It’s not fecking hard. Rolling over and being a soft touch isn’t the only choice

 

[localny]

Guehi is key to getting Konate to sign.

It lets him know he isn't indispensable and makes the option of rotting in the reserves thing a reality.

Agreed

 

[Dreambeliever]

Simple, if we want to challenge on multiple fronts then keep Konate. If one major trophy is enough then sell him.

 

[The Nomad]

Simple, if we want to challenge on multiple fronts then keep Konate. If one major trophy is enough then sell him.

Yes we'll want to play Konate in all the dead rubbers.

 

[StevieM]

I don't think there's any chance at all we sell Konate this summer. None.

Doesn't mean he'll sign a new contract but we're not selling him, Guehi or not.

I agree with this too.

We can’t make a run at league & CL with 2 CBs particularly if one is known to be injury prone, even with Slot’s preference for minimal rotation.

Guehi will get plenty of game time as Konate can’t play that many games without breaking.

However, we do need him for continuity - even if it means losing him on a free.

I’m far from convinced he wants to go - making noises n the press about not being happy about the offer feels more like the work of someone who wants to stay and is trying to get a better offer.

If he has decided to run down his contract and leave for free, he’d likely be saying nothing.

 

[darkstarexodus]

I agree with this too.

We can’t make a run at league & CL with 2 CBs particularly if one is known to be injury prone, even with Slot’s preference for minimal rotation.

Guehi will get plenty of game time as Konate can’t play that many games without breaking.

However, we do need him for continuity - even if it means losing him on a free.

I’m far from convinced he wants to go - making noises n the press about not being happy about the offer feels more like the work of someone who wants to stay and is trying to get a better offer.

If he has decided to run down his contract and leave for free, he’d likely be saying nothing.

100% all of this

 

[Glen C]

Big picture - winning the PL and/or CL (for which having quality strength in depth is required) eclipses £30m in the bank every day of the week.

From a fans view that's true, but not from a business one.

 

[Judge Jules]

Of course it's true from a business point of view as well. Winning the PL and/or the CL is worth massively more than £30 mill.

 

[StevieM]

From a fans view that's true, but not from a business one.

It kind of is.

It’s a risk vs reward kind of thing based on known and unknowns.

We know how good Konate is and what he brings to the team - and if he continues to play at the level he did last season, brings a better and less riskier chance we’ll win a major trophy that will add more than his sale value to the books.

Re-signing Konate AND bringing in Guehi would be the best strategy by far.

Losing Konate on a free AND signing Guehi, giving him a year to fully integrate, then signing another CB in a years time would be the second best decision.

Both, imho, would be better decisions that selling Konate and bringing in Guehi AND another CB at the same time.

Of course, all of it is outcome dependent, but the best strategy for the “business” should be to win things or get as far into the CL as you can while mounting a league title challenge, because that increases income.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

If spending 30m guaranteed winning one of those trophies, I'm sure everyone would be more than happy. Obviously it doesn't though