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Collymore scored 35 in 81 games. Not really too shabby. It was his attitude and his problems that stifled his natural ability
 
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Modo's stance was finished when he brought in Fowler's stats to prove a point.
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Its kinda useless discussing this with you when you dont seem to understand how imperative their partnership was. We're talking arguably the best partnership premier league history. It wasnt only about goals for Collymore.
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So Collymore assisted all (or at least most of) Fowler's goals did he?
[/quote]possibly yes.
[/quote]

Impossibly actually, given that Collymore was not even on the field when Fowler scored about 20 of his goals that season.
[/quote]and you can prove this how?
[/quote]

Information is all there

http://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/GoalsPerSeason/301-39
 
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=45904.msg1357262#msg1357262 date=1309352563]
Modo's stance was finished when he brought in Fowler's stats to prove a point.
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Its kinda useless discussing this with you when you dont seem to understand how imperative their partnership was. We're talking arguably the best partnership premier league history. It wasnt only about goals for Collymore.
[/quote]

So Collymore assisted all (or at least most of) Fowler's goals did he?
[/quote]possibly yes.
[/quote]

Impossibly actually, given that Collymore was not even on the field when Fowler scored about 20 of his goals that season.
[/quote]and you can prove this how?
[/quote]

Information is all there

http://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/GoalsPerSeason/301-39
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Here try this one: http://www.liverweb.org.uk/season.asp?season=199697
 
Didnt McManaman regularly top the league assists table at this time?

That would blow apart any argument that if Collymore wasnt scoring he was setting everything else up wouldnt it?
 
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=45904.msg1357262#msg1357262 date=1309352563]
Modo's stance was finished when he brought in Fowler's stats to prove a point.
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Its kinda useless discussing this with you when you dont seem to understand how imperative their partnership was. We're talking arguably the best partnership premier league history. It wasnt only about goals for Collymore.
[/quote]

So Collymore assisted all (or at least most of) Fowler's goals did he?
[/quote]possibly yes.
[/quote]

Impossibly actually, given that Collymore was not even on the field when Fowler scored about 20 of his goals that season.
[/quote]and you can prove this how?
[/quote]

Information is all there

http://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/GoalsPerSeason/301-39
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Here try this one: http://www.liverweb.org.uk/season.asp?season=199697
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How does that site prove your point? Is the information that different?
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=45904.msg1357379#msg1357379 date=1309360380]
Didnt McManaman regularly top the league assists table at this time?

That would blow apart any argument that if Collymore wasnt scoring he was setting everything else up wouldnt it?
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According to Modo's preferred source (http://www.liverweb.org.uk/assists.asp?season=199697) Collymore had a grand total of 6 assists that year.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45904.msg1357382#msg1357382 date=1309360718]
LFCHistory is the best source of LFC stats for me.

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And for me. I was just wondering what Modo was trying to show me on Liverweb which I assume can't have been on lfchistory
 
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=45904.msg1357379#msg1357379 date=1309360380]
Didnt McManaman regularly top the league assists table at this time?

That would blow apart any argument that if Collymore wasnt scoring he was setting everything else up wouldnt it?
[/quote]

According to Modo's preferred source (http://www.liverweb.org.uk/assists.asp?season=199697) Collymore had a grand total of 6 assists that year.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

OUCH.
 
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=45904.msg1357379#msg1357379 date=1309360380]
Didnt McManaman regularly top the league assists table at this time?

That would blow apart any argument that if Collymore wasnt scoring he was setting everything else up wouldnt it?
[/quote]

According to Modo's preferred source (http://www.liverweb.org.uk/assists.asp?season=199697) Collymore had a grand total of 6 assists that year.
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Your point was that Collymore wasnt even on the pitch for 20 of Fowlers goals.

6 assists is pretty good. He was never gonna be behind every goal Fowler scored but their understanding and the threat they posed together was what made that partnership lethal.
 
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=45904.msg1357379#msg1357379 date=1309360380]
Didnt McManaman regularly top the league assists table at this time?

That would blow apart any argument that if Collymore wasnt scoring he was setting everything else up wouldnt it?
[/quote]

According to Modo's preferred source (http://www.liverweb.org.uk/assists.asp?season=199697) Collymore had a grand total of 6 assists that year.
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Your point was that Collymore wasnt even on the pitch for 20 of Fowlers goals.

6 assists is pretty good. He was never gonna be behind every goal Fowler scored but their understanding and the threat they posed together was what made that partnership lethal.
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About 4 layers of varying flavours of bullshit just in this thread Modo. Well done.
 
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=45904.msg1357379#msg1357379 date=1309360380]
Didnt McManaman regularly top the league assists table at this time?

That would blow apart any argument that if Collymore wasnt scoring he was setting everything else up wouldnt it?
[/quote]

According to Modo's preferred source (http://www.liverweb.org.uk/assists.asp?season=199697) Collymore had a grand total of 6 assists that year.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

OUCH.
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Do you think I really believed he had 20 assists that season?
 
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=45904.msg1357379#msg1357379 date=1309360380]
Didnt McManaman regularly top the league assists table at this time?

That would blow apart any argument that if Collymore wasnt scoring he was setting everything else up wouldnt it?
[/quote]

According to Modo's preferred source (http://www.liverweb.org.uk/assists.asp?season=199697) Collymore had a grand total of 6 assists that year.

[/quote]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

OUCH.
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Do you think I really believed he had 20 assists that season?
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5 layers.
 
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=45904.msg1357379#msg1357379 date=1309360380]
Didnt McManaman regularly top the league assists table at this time?

That would blow apart any argument that if Collymore wasnt scoring he was setting everything else up wouldnt it?
[/quote]

According to Modo's preferred source (http://www.liverweb.org.uk/assists.asp?season=199697) Collymore had a grand total of 6 assists that year.
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Your point was that Collymore wasnt even on the pitch for 20 of Fowlers goals.

6 assists is pretty good. He was never gonna be behind every goal Fowler scored but their understanding and the threat they posed together was what made that partnership lethal.
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Yes I did say that, and linked to the stats. Your response was to link to another site showing the same information!

So, this lethal partnership resulted in 31 goals for Fowler. More than half of them scored when his partner was not playing. Of the remainder he assisted, at the most, half of them (though it could have been none of course - we don't know the details of those 6 assists do we?)

Doesn't sound that lethal to me you know......
 
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=45904.msg1357262#msg1357262 date=1309352563]
Modo's stance was finished when he brought in Fowler's stats to prove a point.
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Its kinda useless discussing this with you when you dont seem to understand how imperative their partnership was. We're talking arguably the best partnership premier league history. It wasnt only about goals for Collymore.
[/quote]

So Collymore assisted all (or at least most of) Fowler's goals did he?
[/quote]possibly yes.
[/quote]

Impossibly actually, given that Collymore was not even on the field when Fowler scored about 20 of his goals that season.
[/quote]and you can prove this how?
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So have you proven that Collymore wasnt on the pitch for 20 of his goals?
 
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Modo's stance was finished when he brought in Fowler's stats to prove a point.
[/quote]
Its kinda useless discussing this with you when you dont seem to understand how imperative their partnership was. We're talking arguably the best partnership premier league history. It wasnt only about goals for Collymore.
[/quote]

So Collymore assisted all (or at least most of) Fowler's goals did he?
[/quote]possibly yes.
[/quote]

Impossibly actually, given that Collymore was not even on the field when Fowler scored about 20 of his goals that season.
[/quote]and you can prove this how?
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So have you proven that Collymore wasnt on the pitch for 20 of his goals?
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I said about 20

And yes, I gave you a link. And you responded with a similar link. Still not sure what you were trying to prove with that one
 
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Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
 
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Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
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Jesus. H. Christ.
 
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Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
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Jesus. H. Christ.
[/quote]call on the holy ghost allah, buddah and moses as well aint gonna keep me away. Just get off the thread
 
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Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
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Modo, I couldnt for the life of me remember how many goals and assists he had; I do remember him being crap by the time we fucked him off and I remember being STUNNED we got 6 million from Villa after paying Forest 8.5 million for him. I also recall him being a cunt to Roy.
 
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Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
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Okay, so Collymore was on the field for about 10 of Fowler's 18 league goals, and of them he might possibly of assisted in as many as 6.

If that stat represents some kind of victory for you in this debate then that is fine.
 
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Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
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Modo, I couldnt for the life of me remember how many goals and assists he had; I do remember him being crap by the time we fucked him off and I remember being STUNNED we got 6 million from Villa after paying Forest 8.5 million for him. I also recall him being a cunt to Roy.
[/quote]Maybe we werent as well informed in Sweden about what happened in Liverpool during those days I mean the net was pretty much a baby. Anyway I did write that he went mental behind the scenes and of course we did the right thing to sell him. My original point was that I dont think he had such a poor secobd season that it itself warrented him being sold.
 
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Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
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Okay, so Collymore was on the field for about 10 of Fowler's 18 league goals, and of them he might possibly of assisted in as many as 6.

If that stat represents some kind of victory for you in this debate then that is fine.
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Listen Im not trying to win the debate. Im just trying to get a message across without someone calling bullshit. Just look how this whole mess started. Im not totally oblivious to how annoying I might seem ,but posters trying to humiliate me and degrade whatever I say just doesnt sit welk with me. Its not gonna shut me up. You wanna ban me for sticking up my beliefs and pushing on than be my guest.
 
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=45904.msg1357407#msg1357407 date=1309361693]
Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
[/quote]

Okay, so Collymore was on the field for about 10 of Fowler's 18 league goals, and of them he might possibly of assisted in as many as 6.

If that stat represents some kind of victory for you in this debate then that is fine.
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Listen Im not trying to win the debate. Im just trying to get a message across without someone calling bullshit. Just look how this whole mess started. Im not totally oblivious to how annoying I might seem ,but posters trying to humiliate me and degrade whatever I say just doesnt sit welk with me. Its not gonna shut me up. You wanna ban me for sticking up my beliefs and pushing on than be my guest.
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Well, I can't ban you obviously and nor would I.

Neither did say you were speaking bullshit or try to humiliate you, but I didn't agree with the points you were making because they weren't true.
 
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=45904.msg1357407#msg1357407 date=1309361693]
Fuck sake Modo, stop digging.
[/quote]digging what I counted his premier league goals and collymore is in on most. I didn't know that he meant in all competitions.
[/quote]

Okay, so Collymore was on the field for about 10 of Fowler's 18 league goals, and of them he might possibly of assisted in as many as 6.

If that stat represents some kind of victory for you in this debate then that is fine.
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Listen Im not trying to win the debate. Im just trying to get a message across without someone calling bullshit. Just look how this whole mess started. Im not totally oblivious to how annoying I might seem ,but posters trying to humiliate me and degrade whatever I say just doesnt sit welk with me. Its not gonna shut me up. You wanna ban me for sticking up my beliefs and pushing on than be my guest.
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You clearly stated that part of Collymore leaving was because Owen threatened to leave if he wasnt played more. Then you reiterated it. It is bullshit.

You then kept up the theme, dont cry about it now.
 
Before now, I thought Collymore left because he was a fucking nutball who didn't like a 100 mile commute but needed his mum to tuck him after a stranger had pulled him off.
 
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