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Gettin’ Guehi with it

We do need to share part of the blame for this.

If we'd have just given the £40m they asked for a month ago, we'd have got our man.

Rare misstep this summer from Edwards and Hughes
 
Yeah I don't mind not paying 5m. When Gomez was potentially going and ibou was shite it was a worry

Now we're saving 15-20m if we go for him in Jan.
 
Not today, but earlier in the window we stood pat on 35m

Not sure why that would make a difference, there was plenty of time to line up a replacement, and making it pending Guehi being sold. I don't think agreeing on 40m.or whatever would have made it more likely he'd be happy with it.
 
It’s frustrating given Glasner’s likely to leave if a big club come in for him…but he’s denied Guehi his dream move.
 
Way I see it is Palace have made their choice and that's fine but as a consequence the power will start to shift in our hands. We'll be letting Guehi know one way or another of our intentions to push the move through again when the window re-opens so I doubt there's any risk the move doesn't happen or some other club pip him from us.
 
Not sure why that would make a difference, there was plenty of time to line up a replacement, and making it pending Guehi being sold. I don't think agreeing on 40m.or whatever would have made it more likely he'd be happy with it.

The point is that he probably wouldn't have been anywhere near as arsed about having an upfront replacement if we'd done this 4-6 weeks ago because signing a replacement subsequent to the deal would've seemed waaaaay easier in the 4-6 weeks remaining of the window than in the 4-6 hours they actually ended up working with on deadline day.

So their actual failure to sign the replacement in that time might've still happened but it would've been their problem and not ours.

I saw Glasner indirectly make that point in an interview the other day when he basically said a deal can't be done at this point because they don't have time to get a replacement in. Not that they don't have a replacement, but that they don't have time. That implies there would've been a point at which a deal would've been acceptable because they would have had time.

This all just seems like common sense to me and the normal way deals proceed. Until someone in the know says otherwise that's what I'll choose to believe.
 
It’s frustrating given Glasner’s likely to leave if a big club come in for him…but he’s denied Guehi his dream move.

True, but he's got to look out for himself (Glasner) too.

He'll be going to a bigger club unless this season turns out to be a mess. They've lost a lot of talent. Guehi stems the bleed.

Frustrating for all but I don't necessarily hold it against him.
 
I feel we fumbled this but can’t complain about the whole window and also who knows if we even had extra cash to make a bigger offer earlier in the window.

Leoni could turn out to fit right in, and Gomez might stay fit enough. I’ll choose to be positive for now.

CB however is our biggest medium term problem and i wouldn’t be surprised to see us come back in Jan.
 
I feel we fumbled this but can’t complain about the whole window and also who knows if we even had extra cash to make a bigger offer earlier in the window.

Leoni could turn out to fit right in, and Gomez might stay fit enough. I’ll choose to be positive for now.

CB however is our biggest medium term problem and i wouldn’t be surprised to see us come back in Jan.

I think we'll go back in January. Like you say it's probably the single biggest risk we're carrying now. Should be ok for a few months but you don't want to push it too far.
 
The point is that he probably wouldn't have been anywhere near as arsed about having an upfront replacement if we'd done this 4-6 weeks ago because signing a replacement subsequent to the deal would've seemed waaaaay easier in the 4-6 weeks remaining of the window than in the 4-6 hours they actually ended up working with on deadline day.

So their actual failure to sign the replacement in that time might've still happened but it would've been their problem and not ours.

I saw Glasner indirectly make that point in an interview the other day when he basically said a deal can't be done at this point because they don't have time to get a replacement in. Not that they don't have a replacement, but that they don't have time. That implies there would've been a point at which a deal would've been acceptable because they would have had time.

This all just seems like common sense to me and the normal way deals proceed. Until someone in the know says otherwise that's what I'll choose to believe.

I would assume they don't work in a linear manner and wait for the deal to happen before they plan their alternatives. He had 6 weeks (or however long) to get a replacement lined up, and actually would have been in a better spot to do it before a deal was formally and publically agreed, more leverage. If he really waited until today to start doing anything on it, I'd be shocked. I suspect what he tells the public is different to what the reality.

But, we can't know for sure, so whichever...
 
I don’t think we fumbled it. Palace have been quoting a much higher fee and they’ve had the entire summer to get a replacement.
In the end it fell through cause their manager threatened to walk out on the club.

Sets a bad precedent for Palace.
 
I would assume they don't work in a linear manner and wait for the deal to happen before they plan their alternatives. He had 6 weeks (or however long) to get a replacement lined up, and actually would have been in a better spot to do it before a deal was formally and publically agreed, more leverage. If he really waited until today to start doing anything on it, I'd be shocked. I suspect what he tells the public is different to what the reality.

But, we can't know for sure, so whichever...

No you missed the point. I'm not saying Parish waited until now to sign a replacement, I'm saying that it's plausibly (imo probably) only since signing a replacement became URGENT - let's say in the past week - that Glasner would've had a hard stance that they should not sell UNTIL they had a replacement in already.

Let's say we bid what Palace wanted 6 weeks ago. Palace accept and Glasner isn't too happy, but Parish is all "chill dude we've got ages to get a replacement, it's all good bro" and Glasner responds "you make a good point there Steve, you have my reluctant consent to proceed!"

We therefore sign Guehi 6 weeks ago and everything seems rosy for all parties. Parish then proceeds to fuck up getting a replacement and Glasner is pissed off but what do we care, we've got our man - no problem.

I'm saying that in reality Parish's failure to sign a replacement in that long window was exactly the same as in the hypothetical, but that it hurt us because we're sitting tight trying to squeeze the fee as low as possible without adequately weighing the risk that Palace will ultimately refuse to sell because they can't get their replacement even after ~6 weeks of trying.
 
Glasner's position the last few days has been that he told the club he wanted a new guy in for pre-season if he was going to agree to a sale of Guehi, that was agreed, it didn't happen, ergo Guehi should not have been for sale.
Where he / Parish have been dicks is not saying that (publicly at least) 5 or 6 weeks ago. As it stands, they've basically been prick-teases and have been ignoring this issue for weeks, when they should have confronted it and said the lad wasn't for sale ages ago. It's mad (and unprofessional) that they waited until the end of deadline day to thrash it out decisively.
Presumably Parish thought he'd sign a great player at the last minute and Glasner would relent, but it was always going to be a dick-measuring contest, with Glasner having most of their fan base on his side because he's a good manager who has delivered success and which set of fans cares about finances? They want their best players to stay at the club, and would reason they should be loaded after selling Olise last year.
Isnt it simply that Igor Julio decided on West Ham at the last minute? I don't buy him failing a medical.
 
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