Gettin’ Guehi with it

[Hansern]

I think my view of Gravy NOT being a DM was based on not knowing he'd played that role at Ajax, then seeing him deployed otherwise for us and him not being the physically dominant type of DM (I'd kind of ruled out the chance that any other type of player could make it work).
Obviously Slot knew better than me, and always will.

If Gravy develops his defensive side of the game even further he will no doubt be one of the top DMs in the world.
He's got so many other qualities with the ball that he's already unique. Still need to be even better defensively imho, but that will come.

 

[tombrown]

I was bitching for CDM for two seasons, @StevieM will tell you that. Its partly why I have a reputation on having meltdowns during transfer windows.

The other, and perhaps more significant, part being that you have meltdowns during transfer windows

 

[Shadey]

Doesn’t look like this is going to happen now, Liverpool not willing to pay what palace want.

 

[Buddha]

This will get sorted, I’ve no doubt at all.

 

[Frogfish]

Yeah Palace can't afford to lose £30-35m

 

[ibromurph]

I think we'll sign Leoni and tell Palace, well it's 15m or nothing.

If we can sign him for 15m, we might sell Konate or just let him run down his contract.

If we don't sign him for 15m, we can just sign him on a precontract in Jan and let Konate run down his contract.

What I don't think we're gonna do is spend 30m on Guehi and allow Konate to leave for nothing too.

If Konate leaves for free, we're going to want to replace him for Guehi for free, or maximum 15m.

 

[FreshRed]

I think we'll sign Leoni and tell Palace, well it's 15m or nothing.

If we can sign him for 15m, we might sell Konate or just let him run down his contract.

If we don't sign him for 15m, we can just sign him on a precontract in Jan and let Konate run down his contract.

What I don't think we're gonna do is spend 30m on Guehi and allow Konate to leave for nothing too.

If Konate leaves for free, we're going to want to replace him for Guehi for free, or maximum 15m.

A lot depends on the wages Konate is demanding compared to what Guehi will demand. I suspect there is a very significant difference over a 4-year contract.

 

[Frogfish]

I think we'll sign Leoni and tell Palace, well it's 15m or nothing.

If we can sign him for 15m, we might sell Konate or just let him run down his contract.

If we don't sign him for 15m, we can just sign him on a precontract in Jan and let Konate run down his contract.

What I don't think we're gonna do is spend 30m on Guehi and allow Konate to leave for nothing too.

If Konate leaves for free, we're going to want to replace him for Guehi for free, or maximum 15m.

That doesn't help our strength in depth in what should be a season we challenge for everything. Especially with both Konate and Gomez' injury woes.

Well sing Guehi before the end of the window.

 

[ibromurph]

A lot depends on the wages Konate is demanding compared to what Guehi will demand. I suspect there is a very significant difference over a 4-year contract.

Let's say it's 100k pw, and 5.2m per year, and 20m over 4 years. That means we can spend 20m on Guehi.

What we are not going to do (or shouldn't do) is give Palace 30m for him and lose Konate on a free, as we may as well just sell Konate for 30m too, and bank the 20m difference in wages. Or we wait till Guehi runs down his contract, and allow Konate to do the same.

 

[Frogfish]

Let's say it's 100k pw, and 5.2m per year, and 20m over 4 years. That means we can spend 20m on Guehi.

What we are not going to do (or shouldn't do) is give Palace 30m for him and lose Konate on a free, as we may as well just sell Konate for 30m too, and bank the 20m difference in wages. Or we wait till Guehi runs down his contract, and allow Konate to do the same.

Still no. That's how an accountant would think not a club trying to win trophies.

 

[ibromurph]

Still no. That's how an accountant would think not a club trying to win trophies.

A club that wants to win trophies (at all costs) resigns Konate on a long term deal, but it doesn't look like we're going to do that, so I'm trying to live in the real world here, knowing our owners.

Looks like we're trying to balance the books and aren't willing to push the boat out to resign Ibou.

 

[Frogfish]

A club that wants to win trophies (at all costs) resigns Konate on a long term deal, but it doesn't look like we're going to do that, so I'm trying to live in the real world here, knowing our owners.

Looks like we're trying to balance the books and aren't willing to push the boat out to resign Ibou.

That's not exactly accurate. This is likely the last season Salah will be in that top bracket (and maybe sold as a result next Summer) and maybe we start to see a gradual drop off from Virgil too. Hence keeping Konate for this season to make hay whilst the S u n shines.

 

[ibromurph]

That's not exactly accurate. This is likely the last season Salah will be in that top bracket (and maybe sold as a result next Summer) and maybe we start to see a gradual drop off from Virgil too. Hence keeping Konate for this season to make hay whilst the S u n shines.

Erm, that doesn't make sense.

A potential VVD drop off would mean you'd think we'd move heaven and earth to resign Ibou on a long term deal. And also sign Guehi as the VVD replacement. But that doesn't appear to be what we're doing.

 

[Frogfish]

Erm, that doesn't make sense.

A potential VVD drop off would mean you'd think we'd move heaven and earth to resign Ibou on a long term deal. And also sign Guehi as the VVD replacement. But that doesn't appear to be what we're doing.

It makes perfect sense. None of us know what is going to happen with Ibou but the last thing we should do is sell him.

Of course he won't go irrespective of whether we want to sell him or not. If RM are going to pick him up on a free next Summer.

 

[Beamrider]

Just to point out we can't sign a player from another English club on a pre-contract in January, that only applies to players registered with other associations. So another European club could tie him up, but not us.
That's why Palace's best chance of getting a decent fee is from us, either now or in January. We have the upper hand in negotiations, but Palace know we won't want to risk waiting on getting him on a free next year as another European club could turn his head. And if we did pick him up on a free next year, they'd jump on any signs that we'd tapped him up and report us for an unlawful approach.

 

[FreshRed]

Let's say it's 100k pw, and 5.2m per year, and 20m over 4 years. That means we can spend 20m on Guehi.

What we are not going to do (or shouldn't do) is give Palace 30m for him and lose Konate on a free, as we may as well just sell Konate for 30m too, and bank the 20m difference in wages. Or we wait till Guehi runs down his contract, and allow Konate to do the same.

Except there is value in having both Konate and Guehi this year to cover one another, in case our 18-year-old needs a year to come up to speed. (very likely).

Perhaps $10-15M in value or more.

 

[ibromurph]

Except there is value in having both Konate and Guehi this year to cover one another, in case our 18-year-old needs a year to come up to speed. (very likely).

Perhaps $10-15M in value or more.

I agree with you that it's risky to take a chance on a kid. But I think we're going to do that until the final day of the window.

Like I said, I think we want Guehi for £15m. And obviously to keep Ibou.

But what I don't see us doing (and obviously I could be wrong) is paying £30-40m for a guy with 12months left on this contract, when he can be picked up on a free next summer. (and us to lose an asset in Ibou who is worth 60m for free too, next summer)

As much as I want to pretend like winning is all that matters to FSG, and they'll look at a £30+m Guehi investment as improving our chances to win, I'm realistic. I expect this deal to go to the last day of the window and us to offer Palace a take it or leave it offer of around £15-20m (depending on how fit our 4 CBs are at the time). If all 4 are fit, we'll hold the line at £20m, if 1 is injured, we'll probably go up to £25m and if 2 or more are injured, then we're buggered and Palace will get their £40m valuation.

Or Palace fold early, and allow themselves to bring in a replacement early.

 

[mom]

We need this to happen now. Either that, or some rabbit out of a hat top draw defender alongside young Leoni.

 

[Fabio]

I don't see a world where it isn't worthwhile getting Guehi this summer.

 

[FreshRed]

I agree with you that it's risky to take a chance on a kid. But I think we're going to do that until the final day of the window.

Like I said, I think we want Guehi for £15m. And obviously to keep Ibou.

But what I don't see us doing (and obviously I could be wrong) is paying £30-40m for a guy with 12months left on this contract, when he can be picked up on a free next summer. (and us to lose an asset in Ibou who is worth 60m for free too, next summer)

As much as I want to pretend like winning is all that matters to FSG, and they'll look at a £30+m Guehi investment as improving our chances to win, I'm realistic. I expect this deal to go to the last day of the window and us to offer Palace a take it or leave it offer of around £15-20m (depending on how fit our 4 CBs are at the time). If all 4 are fit, we'll hold the line at £20m, if 1 is injured, we'll probably go up to £25m and if 2 or more are injured, then we're buggered and Palace will get their £40m valuation.

Or Palace fold early, and allow themselves to bring in a replacement early.

Right. I think we only disagree on the value of Guehi right now, given our only experienced cover is Gomez, who always gets hurt.

I think he is worth the £30-35M being discussed. Even buying both and Isak, if we sell as we should, our net spend is only £200m, with almost no net spend last year and probably very limited next year.

 

[StevieM]

I agree with you that it's risky to take a chance on a kid. But I think we're going to do that until the final day of the window.

Like I said, I think we want Guehi for £15m. And obviously to keep Ibou.

But what I don't see us doing (and obviously I could be wrong) is paying £30-40m for a guy with 12months left on this contract, when he can be picked up on a free next summer. (and us to lose an asset in Ibou who is worth 60m for free too, next summer)

As much as I want to pretend like winning is all that matters to FSG, and they'll look at a £30+m Guehi investment as improving our chances to win, I'm realistic. I expect this deal to go to the last day of the window and us to offer Palace a take it or leave it offer of around £15-20m (depending on how fit our 4 CBs are at the time). If all 4 are fit, we'll hold the line at £20m, if 1 is injured, we'll probably go up to £25m and if 2 or more are injured, then we're buggered and Palace will get their £40m valuation.

Or Palace fold early, and allow themselves to bring in a replacement early.

We’re rumoured to have offered or value him at £29m - which would suggest that there’s definitely a deal to be done.

I also disagree about Konate - the teams that want him and the ones he’s likely to want to go to, aren’t in a rush to sign him and if they did try a speculative bid, it’d be nowhere near £60m.

His value to the team in terms of playing is greater than whatever fee we’ll likely get.

Ideally he signs a new contract even if we do sign Guehi and Leoni, second best option is he plays a major part of us winning League or CL this season and leaves on a free.

Selling him is a distant 3rd option for me.