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We’re gonna be angry. Smash Newcastle and Southampton and all will be good in the hood.
Newcastle are awful going forward though.
But they don't have to be consistent creators, they just need a chance. Callum Wilson is a great finisher
Yet they couldn't be arsed in the game itself
I reckon only Robbo and Henderson were angry. The rest barely even tried in that game. Especially in the second half
I can’t disagree with that. It was a pathetic 45 minutes. Once again we need a rocket up our arse. Even getting 45 minutes out of Thiago in this game would be a massive boost. We need someone to move the ball quicker in the middle of the park.
He’s superb but ya I think we’ll batter them.
The way West Brom played was the real disgrace. It's sad that there isn't an uproar about it. If you had a heckler at a comedy club who wrecked a comic's entire performance, you wouldn't call that a masterclass, you'd just want to beat the shit out of the heckler. It's nothing 'clever'. Allardyce did what some deadbeat non-league team would do in a cup game. For a supposedly top flight manager of a top flight club, that's appalling.
Newcastle will at least try to play something recognisably like the game of football, and we'll play better, too - it's nothing at all about being angry or waking up or any other cliches.
Newcastle will at least try to play something recognisably like the game of football, and we'll play better, too - it's nothing at all about being angry or waking up or any other cliches.
Bullshit. Expected nothing more, nothing less from Big Sam's West Brom yesterday. We just weren't good/smart enough to overcome it on the day. Zero excuses.
More dropped points.
Bullshit. Explain precisely how you would have 'solved' the problem. Come on: no bullshit - let's hear your sophisticated game plan (forget the cliches). Clock's ticking.
Agreed, he was brought in to keep them up this season. Plain and simple. A point any which way at Anfield was always going to be lauded.
The only thing I will say regards West Brom is that we did what we've often done previously against Fat Sam type sides, we reverted to tossing in hopeful high balls, hoping someone would nod one in - ok, so the Firmino chance on another day might have gone in, but why over the years when coming up against a side that's well drilled on repelling aerial threats, do we think crossing in high ball after high ball is the best solution? Over the years we've done it tonnes of times against the Bolton's and Stoke's of the World.
We didn't try to play around them in the second half, it's like we completely shit out of trying to outsmart them with clever play, and instead opted for playing them at their own game. We made it easy fodder for them in the end.
In the first half we went at them full throttle and played some brilliant football, on another day we get the second goal and it becomes a rout, but we didn't and the whole thing then just became inevitable. While we've defended admirably in the absence of so many important players, we also look quite vulnerable and we do let in soft goals.
WBA have arguably the lowest combined transfer market value in the league, while we have probably the highest, it's not really a disgrace for them to opt for damage limitation and playing to their strengths. It's shite anti-football, but a far bigger disgrace is the likes of Mourinho parking the bus with his talented squad. Relegation fodder have to do what they can to survive, there's no shame in that, other than that we know Sam only knows how to play this way, it's why he's the "go-to" manager for sides struggling to stay up.
They didn't offer much in the game, but they didn't have to. We let in a soft goal and we ran out of ideas too quickly. That doesn't warrant the "old school tactical genius" headlines of the following day, but it should also make us think a bit about what we need to do when our high-octane tactic runs out of steam.
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What do you think would happen if they tried to go toe to toe with us? I wouldn't call it a masterclass but playing like that was their best shot of getting something out of the game and they did.
I’d like us to try and copy almost every single Man City goal. Get to the byline between the 6 yard box and 18 yard box. Pull the ball back to the pen spot for someone coming in. We just kept swinging it in to our forwards who had a 6 foot grock right up their arse and it was obvious it wasn’t working.
We didn't try and run at them with the ball, especially from midfield. Shaq or taki could have done that.
Maybe a change in formation? They were set up to let us cross so why didn't we go narrow to flood the centre of the pitch and give ourselves smaller passing triangles to work with.
Perhaps we needed to give the ball up a little bit to try and provoke them in to attacking to open up some space for us.
Bringing in a target man like origi sooner might have destabilised their back 2.
There's many many things we could have tried, but klopp didn't want to try them at prudent moments. He decided to keep banging his head against a wall and hoping for more mane magic
Maybe a change in formation? They were set up to let us cross so why didn't we go narrow to flood the centre of the pitch and give ourselves smaller passing triangles to work with.
Perhaps we needed to give the ball up a little bit to try and provoke them in to attacking to open up some space for us.
Bringing in a target man like origi sooner might have destabilised their back 2.
There's many many things we could have tried, but klopp didn't want to try them at prudent moments. He decided to keep banging his head against a wall and hoping for more mane magic
We really don't do that enough. Probably because Robbo & TAA have more success backed by stats of putting the ball in early and because they can put in cracker after cracker.
That said when it isn't working then getting to the byline and pulling it back should be the next tactic. Robbo, Mane, TAA, Salah, Jones, Firmino .... they are all more than capable. it should be our default Plan B.
The way we play works against pretty much every side, bit it relies on a majority of our players being on form
Bobby was off, mo was off, Trent (second half in particular) was off, Jones tired badly, mane (magic aside) was completely nullified.
They played well just as much as we played badly. We had 2 shots on target FFS. They had more.
Bobby was off, mo was off, Trent (second half in particular) was off, Jones tired badly, mane (magic aside) was completely nullified.
They played well just as much as we played badly. We had 2 shots on target FFS. They had more.
Actually we tried it often. Especially with Jones, Mo and Bobby. However as was mentioned many times during commentary, they were set up exceptionally narrow and with both banks close together. Time after time our players were just surrounded and outnumbered. I doubt even Messi could have got through them that way.
Did we?
I don't remember Jones running at them at all, same with Salah or bobby.
The banks may have been closer together, but that's when a formation change brings people in central. Or maybe we concede a bit of possession to open space up. A majority of our play was entirely through hopeful crosses and that became easy to defend. There was zero variety in our play.
Yeah we did mate. Mo was constantly surrounded. Jones too tried numerus times to run through midfield but was always closed out.
It seems they were happy to let us go wide and cross by keeping it tight and narrow, it nearly back-fired (Bobby kept out by a world-class save and Salah just failing to get on the end of another Robbo cracker) but fuck knows what happened in the second half. If we'd have kept it up we'd surely have got the second .. and third.
There's definitely a need for horses for courses. As said earlier, our tactics work against most sides and we already have alot of variation to how we play and attack, but there's definitely room for more variation in midfield - the need for the occasional out and out DM with Fabinho, the need for a playmaker in Thiago or Shaqiri, the need for a runner from deep in Ox. We've been robbed of those options and the WBA game was just one of the minority of games where that lack of flexibility cost us.
Mo is constantly surrounded every game. Doesn't mean every game he's up against 2 banks of 4 or he comes central.
I don't get the need to defend our performance.
Don't get me wrong, west brom defended well and their game plan worked; but we were fucking diabolical for most of the game. Once again, we barely tested their keeper. Why? Have a punt from outside the box FFS. Arguably, They had the better chances and should have won.
We got cocky and complacent, and expected west brom to not try in the second half. Whether that's on klopp or the players, I don't know, but it's fucking abysmal mentality
But we had Shaq and ox on the bench. We had the option For variation and klopp shit out until it was a reactionary, too late move.
I think there's an element of hubris in us and an over reliance on the injury excuse. We had the players. We all could see they were going to score and we needed to change it up. But we didn't. Why.
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