Ian Rush would like a word.
Florian and the (Slot) Machine
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lol Coutinho came for 8M and people questioned it at the time. You cannot compare him with Wirtz.
How many did he score in his first six matches for us?
Zero.
I can't believe I'm responding to this... That's not the point at all.
interestingly
Little Phil is 5 ft 8'
Florian is not that small at 5 ft 10'
not looking at pricing as much as looking at talented #10's or midfield players of similar frame new to the PL.
V interesting
I can't exactly remember when Silva signed but he was very expensive for the time. Not a record but very significant.
You need to look at the reported price and double it for the actual price.
The anecdotal information (or comparative, imperfect data if you fancy).
AFTER 10 games in the PL (in descending order)
Bruno Fernandes - 6 goals, 6 assists.
KDB 4 goals, 6 assists (MCFC)
Mezut Ozil - 2 goals, 7 assists
Eden Hazard 2 goals and 7 assists
Juan Mata 3 goals, 4 assists
Little Phil 2 goals 4 assists
David Silva 1 goal 3 assists
Bernardo Silva 1 goal and 1 assist
There's something in there for everyone... (and Our Flo' has only played 5 games FYI, so the story can change quickly)
AFTER 10 games in the PL (in descending order)
Bruno Fernandes - 6 goals, 6 assists.
KDB 4 goals, 6 assists (MCFC)
Mezut Ozil - 2 goals, 7 assists
Eden Hazard 2 goals and 7 assists
Juan Mata 3 goals, 4 assists
Little Phil 2 goals 4 assists
David Silva 1 goal 3 assists
Bernardo Silva 1 goal and 1 assist
There's something in there for everyone... (and Our Flo' has only played 5 games FYI, so the story can change quickly)
Their first season
- David Silva (Man City, 2010–11): 4 goals, 7 assists.
- Juan Mata (Chelsea, 2011–12): 6 goals, 13 assists.
- Mesut Özil (Arsenal, 2013–14): 5 goals, 7 assists.
- Alexis Sánchez (Arsenal, 2014–15): 16 goals, 8 assists.
- Kevin De Bruyne (Man City, 2015–16): 7 goals, 7 assists.
- Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool, 2013–14): 5 goals, 6 assists.
- Christian Eriksen (Tottenham, 2013–14): 7 goals, 6 assists.
- Sadio Mané (Southampton, 2014–15) — used as an attacking wide-mid example: 11 goals, 3 assists.
Anyone else notice the goalposts mysteriously moving by themselves?
Sanchez and Mane aside (and Wirtz isn't a striker or even a forward) those returns are all on the low side.
Yessir, fair comment on those two. Yes, would seem to be so. Let's see where he is after 10 games.
I’m not arsed about goals and assists, I want to see him do boss stuff to justify the outlay which results in us winning shiny things.
He’s been rubbish and our shape looks meh because of it.
He’s been rubbish and our shape looks meh because of it.
This is exactly what I mean - there is no point engaging with Dreamie over this because, no matter matter what Wirtz does, Dreamie will always retreat to another position that seemingly supports his argument.
You can see right there what his position clearly is - because Wirtz has cost a record amount he has to deliver record numbers and even then Dreamie will argue that never before seen numbers and performances would be the minimum he’d have expected.
Every little point can be batted away with “yeah but he didn’t cost as much as Wirtz”.
Guaranteed when someone else signs someone else more expensive it’ll be “yeah but at the time Wirtz was the most expensive”.
I’ll say again - what’s your actual measure of success, Dreamie and if you don’t have or want to set a reasonable one, that’s fine, then we know this isn’t a discussion, it’s just another circular self-fulfilling position for you to troll from and amuse yourself.
That’s basically arguing that “I don’t care what she looks like or whether she shags me - as long as I can get off watching her shoot ping-pong balls out her vag - at the minute she not and my cock is flaccid and out of shape!!”
Hang in there Steve. Are you saying you married that Dutch “performer” I seen in Amsterdam circa 2002?????
And does she do all the cooking, cleaning, ironing, shopping, school runs and still find time to practise the ping pong balls?
So you’re saying Dreamie is a troll we should ignore?
I'm saying you should ignore him. We already do.
Yeah - I should - that was one of my points.
Things is - I’m too nice - it’s a forum for debate and I like interacting with people, challenging and being challenged with the probably naive expectation that people want to do the same and that minds can be changed if evidence supports or situations change.
I have just decided to laugh at everything he writes, because it is consistently absurd. It is even better than ignore in this case.
You asked for my metrics, I provided them. Couldn’t give a hoot if you like them or not. It was and is a huge amount for an unproven player outside of his domestic second rate league.
He won the German league and cup at 21 and was the player of the season for both club and league. He reached the Europa cup finals and was the Europa young player of the year. He was German footballer of the year 2025. Amongst other accolades.
Unproven?
We are still talking about Wirtz and not Ben Doaks right?
Unproven?
We are still talking about Wirtz and not Ben Doaks right?
Don't waste your energy, folks. The pattern's always the same with Dreamy - rushes to judgment about something far too quickly based on little or no evidence, gets called out on it and doubles down on his original position, like the Black Knight in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" having his arms and legs chopped off and insisting "It's only a flesh wound".
What metrics are you talking about - I haven’t seen any?
"If Wirtz puts up Salah numbers over the next 10 seasons and drives us to winning multiple league and CL titles then he’ll be a success. Anything less and he won’t have justified the insane price we paid for a 22 year old from a farmers league."
Totally rational metrics.
Completely different animal playing in England as he’s learning.
View: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DO8yjY4CDpM/?igsh=NmN1YXhheDh0bnk4
Would be a decent point if true. I didn’t rate Robertson at all, didn’t like the signing and thought he was rubbish. He’s been an outstanding signing and I was one of a few who didn’t want him to leave in the summer.
I preferred Mane over Salah for a long time too btw but Salah’s longevity at the top completely changed my view there.
I can and have changed my mind heaps of times but sure peddle that narrative.
For a record signing in his position very rationale.
VVD was a record signing and look what he’s achieved. Allison the same. People may not like it but yes for me, with the price we paid and the fact we’ve changed our entire set up to accommodate him, he needs to be hitting those heights for me.
You're being way OTT in your standard for Wirtz being worth the money though. 10 years of Salah-like numbers?! If he does that he'll have been worth about £500m, let alone £115m.
City signed Grealish for 100M who didn't quite work out. He did contribute to them winning the treble though.
Although we can't quite afford the luxury of a 100M signing for that kind of short-term success, I'd take it. Quad squad at last!
But really the hope and expectation is that we get the AM equivalent of Alisson or VVD. A transformational player. A De Bruyne or a D.Silva.
We don't need stats to tell prove that in the end - we'll all just know.
Although we can't quite afford the luxury of a 100M signing for that kind of short-term success, I'd take it. Quad squad at last!
But really the hope and expectation is that we get the AM equivalent of Alisson or VVD. A transformational player. A De Bruyne or a D.Silva.
We don't need stats to tell prove that in the end - we'll all just know.
