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Florian and the (Slot) Machine

I’m not too worried about Wirtz as a player - his quality is obvious and he’s already showing signs of adapting to the Premier League. But it’s undeniable that the overall balance of the team has been adversely affected by the need to fit Wirtz in the team - we look too open with 4 attackers, but playing Wirtz in the front 3 would put a lot of pressure on him to deliver consistent attacking numbers. The midfield 3 of Gravvy-Alexis-Szobo had perfect balance and has been the foundation of our success last season, but now we are breaking it up to fit in a different kind of player… (as an aside it’s somewhat ironic that Wirtz chose Liverpool over Bayern because Slot seemed a lot clearer in his idea of how to use him in his system, but now it’s Bayern that has a Wirtz-shaped hole in their team after Musiala’s injury, while Slot is still figuring things out.)

All that being said, I think there IS a tactical solution to the Wirtz condundrum - playing Szobo on LW in place of Gakpo, which would both preserve the Gravvy-Alexis-Szoboszlai midfield dynamic and allow Wirtz to play at #10:

————Isak/Ekitike———-
Szobo——Wirtz———Salah
———Macca—Gravvy——-

Harsh on Gakpo who did absolutely nothing to deserve being dropped, but I think Szobo is far more fundamental to our game. An added bonus is that his tendency to drift infield from the wing and Wirtz’s desire to drift out from the center to the left wing will mean they both can play their natural game without interfering with each other’s movement. Another plus point is that Szobo and Kerkez already have a great understanding playing together for Hungary on the left wing. Finally, having Szoboszlai rather than Gakpo on the LW will allow Alexis to pick his moments to step forward (knowing that his position in CM will be covered by the indefatigable Dom) and play together with Wirtz as a pair of #10s, which is similar to how Wirtz played for Leverkusen:

————Isak/Ekitike———-
—-Wirtz—Macca——-Salah
———Szobo—-Gravvy——

And that’s the key to unlocking Wirtz because if has a partner to combine with who has a similar level of flair and technique and a great line-breaking forward in front, he will be unstoppable.

I’m going to disagree with you here - I don’t think Dom should be going anywhere near the forward line - it’s the 8 or 10 for Don for me unless it’s a temp measure.

I did read one interesting analysis which I’m probably aligned with that suggested the issue is how our press is organised and what Wirtz role is.

Initially Wirtz was used to link midfield to attack which leaves triggering the press to the front 3 - so Wirtz was a little deeper. The problem with this was/is, Mo has never been one to lead a press (he closes down but isn’t the trigger man), Gakpo has been asked to track back a lot because he’s “more physical” and Kerkez has been finding his feet and Ekitike is new.

Last season the press trigger man was often Dom and it worked because Diaz could then drop deep, or Diaz himself because his work rate was phenomenal.

The little change in the Arsenal game was to have Wirtz push a little higher - he has the work rate and footballing intelligence to be really good at pressing - I seem to recall he had a good reputation for recoveries high up the pitch.

I think this works great with Isak, who is more than comfortable dropping deeper to link play. I think Ekitike can do this too - and both these strikers are also good at carrying from deep and finding pockets of space to attack and score from.

Wirtz playing that more advanced 10 role should also see him get at least as many goalscoring opportunities as Don got - and our complaint last season on Dom was that he lacked a bit of conviction or killer instinct when he had a decent goalscoring chance - something Wirtz should be better at.

Wirtz was also better sitting on Arsenal’s DM (Zubimendi) that dropping deeper to affect play.

Depending on opposition, when Isak, Ekitike and Wirtz are all up to speed, it means we can vary that central attacking set up to make it hard for opposition teams to track and set up for - we saw a few teams go “man-to-man” on us last season - this will be a night mare for teams doing that.

So… I see Dom filling in for Wirtz, but mostly starting as the 8, particularly with Mac not at his best just yet.

Just imagine how teams will feel after getting run ragged by Isak & Wirtz for 65 mins, seeing Ekitike and Dom coming off the bench and vice versa.

I don’t think we need to be particularly “creative” with round pegs in square holes, it’s more about having “upgraded” the players for our already flexible system, they need time to gel.
 
I’m going to disagree with you here - I don’t think Dom should be going anywhere near the forward line - it’s the 8 or 10 for Don for me unless it’s a temp measure.

I did read one interesting analysis which I’m probably aligned with that suggested the issue is how our press is organised and what Wirtz role is.

Initially Wirtz was used to link midfield to attack which leaves triggering the press to the front 3 - so Wirtz was a little deeper. The problem with this was/is, Mo has never been one to lead a press (he closes down but isn’t the trigger man), Gakpo has been asked to track back a lot because he’s “more physical” and Kerkez has been finding his feet and Ekitike is new.

Last season the press trigger man was often Dom and it worked because Diaz could then drop deep, or Diaz himself because his work rate was phenomenal.

The little change in the Arsenal game was to have Wirtz push a little higher - he has the work rate and footballing intelligence to be really good at pressing - I seem to recall he had a good reputation for recoveries high up the pitch.

I think this works great with Isak, who is more than comfortable dropping deeper to link play. I think Ekitike can do this too - and both these strikers are also good at carrying from deep and finding pockets of space to attack and score from.

Wirtz playing that more advanced 10 role should also see him get at least as many goalscoring opportunities as Don got - and our complaint last season on Dom was that he lacked a bit of conviction or killer instinct when he had a decent goalscoring chance - something Wirtz should be better at.

Wirtz was also better sitting on Arsenal’s DM (Zubimendi) that dropping deeper to affect play.

Depending on opposition, when Isak, Ekitike and Wirtz are all up to speed, it means we can vary that central attacking set up to make it hard for opposition teams to track and set up for - we saw a few teams go “man-to-man” on us last season - this will be a night mare for teams doing that.

So… I see Dom filling in for Wirtz, but mostly starting as the 8, particularly with Mac not at his best just yet.

Just imagine how teams will feel after getting run ragged by Isak & Wirtz for 65 mins, seeing Ekitike and Dom coming off the bench and vice versa.

I don’t think we need to be particularly “creative” with round pegs in square holes, it’s more about having “upgraded” the players for our already flexible system, they need time to gel.

I don’t think playing Szobo on the left wing is putting “square pegs in round holes” at all, given that this is literally where he mostly played for Hungary. Remember all these discussions in his first season here why he was scoring more coming off the left for Hungary compared to his attacking contribution playing on the right for Klopp?

I’m sure there are reasons why he has been mostly played on the right in club football, but he’s not getting into the team at the expense of Salah and surely it’s worth a try for the sake of better overall balance.
 
His Hungary boss just came out saying Szobo can become one of the best number 6's in the world. Few weeks back I'd have said 'nah' but after his recent displays at right back, and knowing his intelligence in midfield, who knows? Could he be the alternative to Grav that Slot's been looking for?
 
One thing we have hopefully gained or will come to fruition is that we will be more clinical in front of goals and with our chances. In that regards, we do not need that many chances, but quality chances for which they are duly put away. Eg. Ngumoha's goal.

I am ready to embrace this change, to have a more efficient team upfront. If we have some growing pains for now, so be it, the upside will be worth the wait.
 
I’m sure there are reasons why he has been mostly played on the right in club football, but he’s not getting into the team at the expense of Salah and surely it’s worth a try for the sake of better overall balance.

Perhaps to make use of his engine to cover defensively for the two guys on that side -- one whose job description didn't require him to track back, and the other who didn't bother to read that line in his job description.
 
Isn't the main reason simply that everyone else bar Salah is better on the left, but Szobo can cover right as well?
 
I don’t think playing Szobo on the left wing is putting “square pegs in round holes” at all, given that this is literally where he mostly played for Hungary. Remember all these discussions in his first season here why he was scoring more coming off the left for Hungary compared to his attacking contribution playing on the right for Klopp?

I’m sure there are reasons why he has been mostly played on the right in club football, but he’s not getting into the team at the expense of Salah and surely it’s worth a try for the sake of better overall balance.

To be fair, I’ve never once watched Hungary - but I’d hesitate to use any international performances as a guide for anything.

I just don’t see him on the left - Wirtz might lay the odd game there if tactics dictate and on top of Gakpo, I really can see Ekitike playing there as well… even Isak for that matter.

We could have a box midfield with Mac & Gravy at double 6 pivot and Wirtz & Dom as double 10, leaving Mo and Isak/Ekitike inverting from wide areas and Kerkez/Frimpong providing overlapping width.

That’s also a double False 9 set up if Mo and whoever on the left holds a wider position and say Robbo and Bradley sit deeper.

He could play as a single false 9, as well if we needed it.

Dom could rotate with Wirtz as the 10 so that they’re both fresh - he could rotate with Mac and CJ as the 8 and he could rotate with Gravy and Mac as the 6.

He could play on the left as you mentioned and he could be the be to fill in on the right for the games Mo misses due to AFCON (it’s about 6 league games I think).

We’ve seen he’s also capable of filling it at RB.

Plenty of options there.
 
His Hungary boss just came out saying Szobo can become one of the best number 6's in the world. Few weeks back I'd have said 'nah' but after his recent displays at right back, and knowing his intelligence in midfield, who knows? Could he be the alternative to Grav that Slot's been looking for?

Didn't really see him doing much at the weekend. But isn't that the story with all #6's
 

Philipp Lahm in the Guardian.​

Florian Wirtz is a sure bet at Liverpool but Newcastle are gambling on Nick Woltemade | Transfer window | The Guardian​

What must a footballer who costs €80m, €100m or more be able to do and prove? He should be a promising prospect at the age of 17 to 20; occupy a clear position on the pitch; be one of the five most important players in a team; perform consistently over many years; prove himself in international competition; and be physically strong. This applies to virtually all those players in this price range: Kylian Mbappé, Neymar, Ronaldo, Erling Haaland, Jude Bellingham and Ousmane Dembélé.

Two German footballers moved to the Premier League for such a sum in the summer. One of them meets these criteria. Florian Wirtz’s career has been impressive. He caught the football’s attention as a teenager. It was only a matter of time before he made his breakthrough.

Having just turned 17, Wirtz made his mark in the Bundesliga and immediately became a key player. He played for Germany at 18 and was the decisive player in Bayer Leverkusen’s first league title at 20.

Every time he takes to the pitch, you can see how Wirtz interprets his No 10 role. He solves difficult situations, sets up new ones and, as an individualist who puts himself at the service of everyone else, is the ideal team player. His actions and performances are reliable for coaches and teammates.

He chose his new club for sporting reasons. Liverpool, the English champions, have specifically strengthened their stable formation with him.

It takes time to fit into a team. This is especially true for a player who makes a difference. So far, he is getting into his groove and adapting to the pace and intensity of the Premier League. He passes the ball early, which gives him increasing confidence and allows him to gradually take more risks.

In the first half against Arsenal, what caught the eye was Wirtz as a team player, and in the second half, his brilliance. He played razor‑sharp passes, took the ball superbly with his right foot in the penalty area and shot with his left. With him, his team became stronger and won. Wirtz’s qualities are becoming increasingly apparent at Liverpool.


Newcastle’s Anthony Gordon is tackled by Liverpool’s Florian Wirtz


The case of Nick Woltemade is different. He is 23, a good year older than Wirtz, but became a regular player in a first division team only after scoring two goals against Heidenheim nine months ago. At the age when Wirtz won the double with Leverkusen, Woltemade was playing on loan in the German third tier for a season.

It is unclear how well he will perform in the Champions League. He has not played in the competition because Stuttgart did not include him in their squad for it last season. He has not yet scored against big teams, his most important goal coming in the cup final against the third-tier side Arminia Bielefeld.

He is a player with virtually no track record. At the European Under-21 Championship this summer, he was the top scorer – one of the oldest players in one of the oldest teams. The best footballers, such as Lamine Yamal, Bellingham, Jamal Musiala and Wirtz, do not take part in such tournaments having long since outgrown the level.

Woltemade is unpredictable, his dribbling, passing and shooting are not found in the textbooks; they are unique, with no international comparison. Unlike other top players, his centre of gravity is rarely at the centre of the movement. He thrives on his free spirit and self-confidence and seems to want to reinvent the game at No 9.

But he has not yet developed any consistency or patterns – not in his first touch, not in his combination play, not in his timing on headers, not in his shooting. His goals are not the logical consequence of excellent actions and skills. His excellence is not repeatable. And he still has to prove that he can last 50 games in a season, because he is tall but not robust.

The €85m (£73.5m) that Newcastle are paying for Woltemade is therefore a gamble. For the player, the new contract is a once-in-a-lifetime project. He wanted to go to Bayern Munich, and when someone else paid the asking price, he went there. The owners from Saudi Arabia and the club’s management are new to the business. In a gold rush atmosphere, mistakes are made and miracles are believed in.

That is the difference between the two transfers. Liverpool want to develop a successful team through the principle of selection. At Anfield people don’t mind that Wirtz costs €125m because they know that this is sports business at the highest level, whose market value can be compared only to art, film or pop music. This has nothing to do with club life and voluntary work any more. When investments are made according to a strategy, paying customers accept it.

Under the caring guidance of Arne Slot, something interesting seems to be emerging in Liverpool. Something you want to be a part of. I can well understand why Wirtz was convinced. I experienced it myself at Bayern from 2010 to 2017 and with Germany from 2004 to 2014. Both teams went through a long process, becoming stronger through transfers or new players coming through. In the end, the sum was greater than the individual parts.

I will draw on this community for the rest of my life. Wirtz can now experience something similar, at least at club level. It will be exciting to see whether Liverpool will be a really great team and whether he will be the final piece of the puzzle. As a fan, I hope so, and I am happy to identify with that.

 
Wow. What an impressive article - and if he really did write that in English, that's staggering. My German's decent but not at that level.
Philipp Lahm’s column was produced in partnership with Oliver Fritsch at Die Zeit, the German online magazine. Lahm has been a consultant for VfB Stuttgart on sporting matters for three years.
 
He could well be right but it might be a bit harsh and I’m a fan on the underdog and the late bloomer. Wolf man might be both .
 
Has he even been on the pitch when we've scored our winners?

Defence incoming...
No - his replacement won us the game
No - his replacement was involved in the build up to the winner
Yes - came off after the goal
No - his replacement created more in 8 mins than he did in 85.
 
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