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Isakly what we need

Its weird that Newcastle look to be so amateurishly run. No Sporting director and Howe's nephew trying to sign players. I can see why Isak is desperate to leave. Bruno and Tonali will probably want to do so after this season as well.
maybe they get ‘lucky’ with bruno turning 28 and nobody wanting to pay a big fee, maybe he drops off at 29/30. but yea they need to somehow resume an upward trajectory if they lose isak and continue to struggle with signings or anyone decent will look to go.
 
With Sesko joining they've "fixed" their attack, but they still have issues in midfield and defence.
Also, Onana still hasn't been replaced.

I think Man U will have a good season. Not just because they've strengthened, but because the teams who were beating the so called "top six" have been weakened. Teams like Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton etc. The promoted teams are shite so they won't do anything either.

I actually don't think its that straightforward they've fixed it either. Mbuemo should be a good player for them but Cunha could be an expensive flop. Sesko has potential but is an unknown part of all this. Similar traits to Hojlund and not a very good goalscorer. Some talk about Amorim wanting Watkins but Vivell wanted Sesko.
Imho Watkins would have been a much better fit for them.

I have a bit of trouble seeing how this will actually work on the pitch but if it does then they'll be up there in the Europa spots.
They've thrown enough money at it, thats for sure.
 
i feel like the mighty mason mount ‘like a new signing’ hasn’t been factored into uniteds broken midfield by many

they do occasionally produce talent, if amorim fixes the culture or whatever they may actually start filling gaps with good youth players.
 
Mount had a good game for them last time out, but "one swallow doth not a summer make". At his best I rate him more highly than some do on here, but the jury's still out on whether he'll ever be a true success there IMO.
 
Worst thing is, I actually think Jackson will score more goals for Newcastle than Sesko will for Utd.
He's not a bad signing for Newcastle.
 
Mount had a good game for them last time out, but "one swallow doth not a summer make". At his best I rate him more highly than some do on here, but the jury's still out on whether he'll ever be a true success there IMO.
yea i don’t mind him as a player but i was joking about the new signing thing with his availability over recent years
 
Worst thing is, I actually think Jackson will score more goals for Newcastle than Sesko will for Utd.
He's not a bad signing for Newcastle.
is jackson a real link at this stage or just on some imaginary list of targets? i’d be interested to know if he’s up for that move
 
is jackson a real link at this stage or just on some imaginary list of targets? i’d be interested to know if he’s up for that move

Yeah, he's on their target list. I think he would be up for a move given that he knows his basically third choice now.
 
Will be interesting to see if Mbeumo's 20 league goals (incl. 5 penalties) last season was a sign of a breakout or a one-season surge. He has previous, having scored 15 league goals in the Championship in 19/20, then dropping to 8, 4, 9 and 9 (last 3 in Premier League, though he missed quite a number of games in 23/24). Of course, a few of those seasons were earlier in his career so some inconsistency is understandable.

I'm obviously wishing him a glorious regression to the mean.
 
All United signings will be disastrous flops until proven otherwise. Given their track record, I wouldn't be banking on them making the top half. Even if something looks good on paper, they have a unique ability to somehow turn it into dogshit.

And that's before we get to the majority of the squad can't play whatever the hell Amorim is trying to do. They've been in relegation form ever since he's been appointed and I don't see one summer being sufficient to them getting anywhere near Europe.

They should score some more goals, but their defence and keeper are still the stuff of memes.
 
I actually don't think its that straightforward they've fixed it either. Mbuemo should be a good player for them but Cunha could be an expensive flop. Sesko has potential but is an unknown part of all this. Similar traits to Hojlund and not a very good goalscorer. Some talk about Amorim wanting Watkins but Vivell wanted Sesko.
Imho Watkins would have been a much better fit for them.

I have a bit of trouble seeing how this will actually work on the pitch but if it does then they'll be up there in the Europa spots.
They've thrown enough money at it, thats for sure.
Of course there are question marks surrounding their team. I saw their pre season friendly v Everton and I wasn't impressed. I was honestly more impressed by Everton.
 
They'll have to get them to play and work together as a team though.
Their midfield with Mainoo and Ugarte is still one of the worst in the league, and Onana is their goalkeeper.
Maybe but they are starting to put the parts together. That attack will win them a lot of games. However to counter-balance that their midfield and defence is full of mid-table players (bar Fernandes) so 6th - 8th is on the cards.
 
Of course there are question marks surrounding their team. I saw their pre season friendly v Everton and I wasn't impressed. I was honestly more impressed by Everton.

Yeah, I thought the same. Cunha was extremely unimpressive. But, its pre season.
 
Of course there are question marks surrounding their team. I saw their pre season friendly v Everton and I wasn't impressed. I was honestly more impressed by Everton.
I picked Everton as the surprise team in the predictions thread. I think you mentioned something similar in another thread... I do think Moyes will have them performing well and finishing top 10 this season, if their run of results (8W-7D-4L) in the league after he returned is a reliable guide.
 
At some point Man U's reckless spending has to comeback to bite them in the arse. Hopefully @Beamrider can shed some light on their finances. They have some £300m unpaid transfers to pay.
All the players they've bought are worth next to nothing. I am not sure why more Man U fans aren't scared, they could be a Barca or even worse Leeds (I am hoping)
 
At some point Man U's reckless spending has to comeback to bite them in the arse. Hopefully @Beamrider can shed some light on their finances. They have some £300m unpaid transfers to pay.
All the players they've bought are worth next to nothing. I am not sure why more Man U fans aren't scared, they could be a Barca or even worse Leeds (I am hoping)
United publish financial information quarterly. The last available information is for 31/3/2025. That means their public info is more up to date than pretty much anyone else in the league.
I've spoken in the past about their underlying debt (i.e. cash liabilities less cash receivables) which has hovered around £1bn for a couple of years now. It's only at that level because they've had £238m of equity injected by Big Sir Jim. They're still at that level in March 2025, albeit about £30m lower than at December, and with £73m cash on hand plus a further £90m unused bank facility.
Their wage bill has come down quite a bit compared to the previous nine months. Like for like it's down about £43m for the nine months, but it's not clear how much of that will be fluctuations in player wages rather than staff (I suspect a lot). I don't think the staff lay-offs will save them a huge amount long-term, particularly after they've had to pay third parties to do some of the work of the people they let go.
Their cash flow in the last nine months was break-even, despite raising £260m through financing (£180m bank debt, £80m share issue).
Adjusting out their financing cash flows and the payments for players, their underlying cash flow was a negative £64m - i.e. the underlying business is NOT throwing off cash.
Their squad cost is over £1bn, a limit we only just hit recently (we'll be back below that now Lucho has gone) - who has the better squad?
So it feels like they're still in a mess, particularly since the underlying business isn't throwing off cash. They probably have the wiggle room to keep going, but that's only because Big Jim has put cash into the business over the last couple of years. It looks like he will need to do the same again and/or they will need to raise more bank debt, since the alternative, reining in their expenditure, doesn't seem to be on the table.
 
United publish financial information quarterly. The last available information is for 31/3/2025. That means their public info is more up to date than pretty much anyone else in the league.
I've spoken in the past about their underlying debt (i.e. cash liabilities less cash receivables) which has hovered around £1bn for a couple of years now. It's only at that level because they've had £238m of equity injected by Big Sir Jim. They're still at that level in March 2025, albeit about £30m lower than at December, and with £73m cash on hand plus a further £90m unused bank facility.
Their wage bill has come down quite a bit compared to the previous nine months. Like for like it's down about £43m for the nine months, but it's not clear how much of that will be fluctuations in player wages rather than staff (I suspect a lot). I don't think the staff lay-offs will save them a huge amount long-term, particularly after they've had to pay third parties to do some of the work of the people they let go.
Their cash flow in the last nine months was break-even, despite raising £260m through financing (£180m bank debt, £80m share issue).
Adjusting out their financing cash flows and the payments for players, their underlying cash flow was a negative £64m - i.e. the underlying business is NOT throwing off cash.
Their squad cost is over £1bn, a limit we only just hit recently (we'll be back below that now Lucho has gone) - who has the better squad?
So it feels like they're still in a mess, particularly since the underlying business isn't throwing off cash. They probably have the wiggle room to keep going, but that's only because Big Jim has put cash into the business over the last couple of years. It looks like he will need to do the same again and/or they will need to raise more bank debt, since the alternative, reining in their expenditure, doesn't seem to be on the table.
What I was hoping you would say is they're fucked and have to apply for a IVA. They've spent £200m this window and might sell Ganucho for £30m
 
Isak is going to come in for 'private session' in flip flops and Liverpool's Adidas kit.

You have to feel for Eddie Howe
I don't, not one bit. He gets paid millions, and big clubs coming in taking your talent is all part and parcel of football. We have been through this shit with so many players wanting away
 
United publish financial information quarterly. The last available information is for 31/3/2025. That means their public info is more up to date than pretty much anyone else in the league.
I've spoken in the past about their underlying debt (i.e. cash liabilities less cash receivables) which has hovered around £1bn for a couple of years now. It's only at that level because they've had £238m of equity injected by Big Sir Jim. They're still at that level in March 2025, albeit about £30m lower than at December, and with £73m cash on hand plus a further £90m unused bank facility.
Their wage bill has come down quite a bit compared to the previous nine months. Like for like it's down about £43m for the nine months, but it's not clear how much of that will be fluctuations in player wages rather than staff (I suspect a lot). I don't think the staff lay-offs will save them a huge amount long-term, particularly after they've had to pay third parties to do some of the work of the people they let go.
Their cash flow in the last nine months was break-even, despite raising £260m through financing (£180m bank debt, £80m share issue).
Adjusting out their financing cash flows and the payments for players, their underlying cash flow was a negative £64m - i.e. the underlying business is NOT throwing off cash.
Their squad cost is over £1bn, a limit we only just hit recently (we'll be back below that now Lucho has gone) - who has the better squad?
So it feels like they're still in a mess, particularly since the underlying business isn't throwing off cash. They probably have the wiggle room to keep going, but that's only because Big Jim has put cash into the business over the last couple of years. It looks like he will need to do the same again and/or they will need to raise more bank debt, since the alternative, reining in their expenditure, doesn't seem to be on the table.
Just something else to add on Man Utd. So far this summer they've spent around £65m x 3 on Cunha, Mbeumo and potentially Sesko. With no sales that takes their spending to a bit over £200m when we add levies and agent fees. They'll have to pay 1/3 of that this summer - say £70m.
However, this time last year, they would have been paying out the third instalments on their transfers from 3 years ago:
Antony + Casemiro + Martinez + Malacia = approx £200m in total, plus levies and agents. Again, payable in 3 instalments. They made negligible sales that summer too (Garner and Pereira).
So they've replaced last summer's £70m pay-out with a new £70m this summer - no net increase in their cashflow on transfer fees.
BUT:
9-month cashflows to 31/3/2025 suggest their underlying business is not throwing off enough cash to cover that payment anyway, so they still need to fund it from somewhere (whereas it wouldn't have been an issue if they were already able to cover it). To put things into context, our normal approach was to forecast how much cash we'd generate BEFORE transfers and then spend that amount in fees and wages (including renewals). United are spending something they are not generating in the first place.
AND: they have loads more wages to cover. Wages for the three new guys, Sancho is back on the books, as is Antony, and although Rashford's salary is off the books, a chunk of it would have been covered last year too when he went on loan to Villa. That should more than offset what they saved by sacking the tea lady and taking her season ticket.
AND: on a profit level, they're adding c £40m in amortisation of this summers fees.
 
Just something else to add on Man Utd. So far this summer they've spent around £65m x 3 on Cunha, Mbeumo and potentially Sesko. With no sales that takes their spending to a bit over £200m when we add levies and agent fees. They'll have to pay 1/3 of that this summer - say £70m.
However, this time last year, they would have been paying out the third instalments on their transfers from 3 years ago:
Antony + Casemiro + Martinez + Malacia = approx £200m in total, plus levies and agents. Again, payable in 3 instalments. They made negligible sales that summer too (Garner and Pereira).
So they've replaced last summer's £70m pay-out with a new £70m this summer - no net increase in their cashflow on transfer fees.
BUT:
9-month cashflows to 31/3/2025 suggest their underlying business is not throwing off enough cash to cover that payment anyway, so they still need to fund it from somewhere (whereas it wouldn't have been an issue if they were already able to cover it). To put things into context, our normal approach was to forecast how much cash we'd generate BEFORE transfers and then spend that amount in fees and wages (including renewals). United are spending something they are not generating in the first place.
AND: they have loads more wages to cover. Wages for the three new guys, Sancho is back on the books, as is Antony, and although Rashford's salary is off the books, a chunk of it would have been covered last year too when he went on loan to Villa. That should more than offset what they saved by sacking the tea lady and taking her season ticket.
AND: on a profit level, they're adding c £40m in amortisation of this summers fees.
So its looking scary for them?
 
Just something else to add on Man Utd. So far this summer they've spent around £65m x 3 on Cunha, Mbeumo and potentially Sesko. With no sales that takes their spending to a bit over £200m when we add levies and agent fees. They'll have to pay 1/3 of that this summer - say £70m.
However, this time last year, they would have been paying out the third instalments on their transfers from 3 years ago:
Antony + Casemiro + Martinez + Malacia = approx £200m in total, plus levies and agents. Again, payable in 3 instalments. They made negligible sales that summer too (Garner and Pereira).
So they've replaced last summer's £70m pay-out with a new £70m this summer - no net increase in their cashflow on transfer fees.
BUT:
9-month cashflows to 31/3/2025 suggest their underlying business is not throwing off enough cash to cover that payment anyway, so they still need to fund it from somewhere (whereas it wouldn't have been an issue if they were already able to cover it). To put things into context, our normal approach was to forecast how much cash we'd generate BEFORE transfers and then spend that amount in fees and wages (including renewals). United are spending something they are not generating in the first place.
AND: they have loads more wages to cover. Wages for the three new guys, Sancho is back on the books, as is Antony, and although Rashford's salary is off the books, a chunk of it would have been covered last year too when he went on loan to Villa. That should more than offset what they saved by sacking the tea lady and taking her season ticket.
AND: on a profit level, they're adding c £40m in amortisation of this summers fees.
Thanks for dispensing your knowledge and for your time over so many posts. I for one find it fascinating and educational.
 
So its looking scary for them?
I think my observation, high level, would be that Big Jim still doesn't have it under control. They're keeping afloat with the funding available to them, but without c £240m of equity injections over the last 3 years they'd be struggling. I'm not seeing signs that they won't need more shareholder cash pumping in (and don't hold your breath waiting for the Glazers to stump up).
The reality is that a lot of their debt doesn't need to be repaid (the Glazers will sit on theirs until they leave and the bank debt will just keep rolling) but they are still spending beyond their means and have a huge millstone around their neck in the shape of their stadium project.
When the Glazers took over, they were the dominant force in English football, and up there on a European level, but the Glazers have presided over a period of decline - their squad is shite, overpaid and not capable of winning stuff, their ground is falling down and their commercial brand has stagnated. They want to replace that ground with a soul-less modern bowl that's going to cost billions they don't have.
Over the same period, FSG has added 15,000 seats to our stadium (admittedly a good chunk of them out of the average punter's price range), upgraded our training facilities, built a league-winning squad and grown commercial revenue to a level where we are neck and neck with United. They've not taken a penny out of (they were really scrupulous about that, by the way) and will make a huge profit as and when they sell - fair fucks to them.
United are still on the way down, we are riding the crest of the wave. They are lower now than we were when FSG took over, and I'm not seeing signs they're going to turn it around. Their fans are right, they need the Glazers out, but it's still a hell of a job for anyone to do to turn it all around.
 
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