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Isakly what we need

Haaland turned City from PL winning into CL winners.

Isak can do that for us.

This is such a silly way of looking at football. City got to a cl final previously. I suppose Chelsea won that because city didn't have haaland, but couldn't it be because they had their devastating, out and out finisher, havertz? We won the ones I was around for with no real strikers.

City were right there, already, for years, winning everything. Anyone can win a one off game. Even fucking spurs.

And haaland did nothing for city, absolutely nothing, when everything was crumbling around them this season.
 
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This is such a silly way of looking at football. City got to a cl final previously. I suppose Chelsea won that because city didn't have haaland, but couldn't it be because they had their devastating, out and out finisher, havertz? We won the ones I was around for with no real strikers.

City were right there, already, for years, winning everything. Anyone can win a one off game. Even fucking spurs.

And haaland did nothing for city, absolutely nothing, when everything was crumbling around them this season.
Respectfully disagree.

Strikers can’t do it all alone but can add that finishing touch in big moments that bring the biggest trophies esp knock out competitions and since Aguero left Cify had a gap that Haaland filled. Yes City were building but he was absolutely the final piece.
 
Edwards running negotiations?

Poor Newcastle.they’re screwed Edwards is going to buy the economic rights to every Newcastle target for 10 years or something like that.
 
We were the best team in the Premier league last year without a striker. Diogo was out much of the time and Nunez was as well.

Can you imagine what we achieve with a striker or two - and in Europe we were the best two in the group stages

You gotta think with no strikers we were one of the favorites to win the thing. Can you imagine what we do with two strikers?
 
He's very good but the reason I baulk at the transfer is that ~150M basically has to guarantee you a Ronaldo / Salah type player - a superstar whose ability to deliver results (and fitness) can't be questioned.

The other issue for us is that it likely puts us in a financial straightjacket for a few years. If some of our signings don't work and / or we need to do further some work in the squad, we may find our room for maneuver quite limited.

If we genuinely think Isak is going to succeed Salah for us then okay. Otherwise, we're just overpaying because the market sucks - and though it's frustrated me in the past - the better option might be to wait.
 
Yeah, anything above 100 million is absurd for Isak. He's a good player, but not that good. Wirtz is a generational prospect - I think we'll see evidence of that season. He's the Kaka, KDB, Iniesta of this generation, and I absolutely endorse paying whatever it gets for a player like that, especially since he's only 22. We either get him for two contract terms (8+ years), or we get to sell him again in 3-4 years time, again for a big fee.

Isak on the other hand is 26, and has some injury history. How do we justify a 100+ million outlay on a player like that by any of the recruitment principles FSG claim to swear by? At 26, you'll have him for another 5 years at best, he won't have any resale value, and I really doubt that he's SO transformational a player that he'd guarantee another couple of PL title and/or CL titles. That's the only way that kind of expenditure is worth it tbh given that you'll never recoup resale money for him.

Another way to look at this - over a 5 year contract, how many goals do we see Isak scoring? In 3 years for Newcastle, he has 109 appearances and 62 goals. So he has availability concerns, and he's not THAT prolific tbh. We're paying 120 million for a player who'll score 100 goals for us in 5 years? Those are going to be some pretty expensive goals...
 
Yeah, anything above 100 million is absurd for Isak. He's a good player, but not that good. Wirtz is a generational prospect - I think we'll see evidence of that season. He's the Kaka, KDB, Iniesta of this generation, and I absolutely endorse paying whatever it gets for a player like that, especially since he's only 22. We either get him for two contract terms (8+ years), or we get to sell him again in 3-4 years time, again for a big fee.

Isak on the other hand is 26, and has some injury history. How do we justify a 100+ million outlay on a player like that by any of the recruitment principles FSG claim to swear by? At 26, you'll have him for another 5 years at best, he won't have any resale value, and I really doubt that he's SO transformational a player that he'd guarantee another couple of PL title and/or CL titles. That's the only way that kind of expenditure is worth it tbh given that you'll never recoup resale money for him.

Another way to look at this - over a 5 year contract, how many goals do we see Isak scoring? In 3 years for Newcastle, he has 109 appearances and 62 goals. So he has availability concerns, and he's not THAT prolific tbh. We're paying 120 million for a player who'll score 100 goals for us in 5 years? Those are going to be some pretty expensive goals...

He's not 26 yet. He'll basically be 26 for all of next season.

You can reasonably expect 7 good years from him with the last one being when he's only 32. You might even get an 8th good year.

I don't know how anyone can call 100m+ on Isak absurd when we've just signed someone completely unproven for 80m. I don't really know what a fair fee for Isak is but it's obviously way more than 80m and imo more than Wirtz too.
 
The other issue for us is that it likely puts us in a financial straitjacket for a few years. If some of our signings don't work and / or we need to do further some work in the squad, we may find our room for maneuver quite limited.
I am seeing this point raised from time to time however I just don't see it. That is anathema to the FSG way of doing business. They aren't going to switch from years of being financially astute to gambling on that stability with a raft of risky investments (ignoring the fact that all transfers by their nature are potentially risky).

I'm sure that there is something going on that we are not privy to and that justifies the investment.
 
Yeah, anything above 100 million is absurd for Isak. He's a good player, but not that good. Wirtz is a generational prospect - I think we'll see evidence of that season. He's the Kaka, KDB, Iniesta of this generation, and I absolutely endorse paying whatever it gets for a player like that, especially since he's only 22. We either get him for two contract terms (8+ years), or we get to sell him again in 3-4 years time, again for a big fee.

Isak on the other hand is 26, and has some injury history. How do we justify a 100+ million outlay on a player like that by any of the recruitment principles FSG claim to swear by? At 26, you'll have him for another 5 years at best, he won't have any resale value, and I really doubt that he's SO transformational a player that he'd guarantee another couple of PL title and/or CL titles. That's the only way that kind of expenditure is worth it tbh given that you'll never recoup resale money for him.

Another way to look at this - over a 5 year contract, how many goals do we see Isak scoring? In 3 years for Newcastle, he has 109 appearances and 62 goals. So he has availability concerns, and he's not THAT prolific tbh. We're paying 120 million for a player who'll score 100 goals for us in 5 years? Those are going to be some pretty expensive goals...
Three points to note though :

1. He missed 4 games due to injury last season. He's no Gomez.

2. One can reasonably expect a player joining us from Newcastle to score more. That puts him in the rarified air of 30 plus goals a season. It was never going to be cheap to replace Salah so this is clearly part of the transitional phase.

3. Fee. Looking at the increases in prize money for CL, PL, CWC and commercial income it is no surprise that transfer fees are increasing too. Especially for a Top 1% striker. Look at the fees for Ekitike, Sesko etc. I can see Isak's fee being £120m + £20m or around that. The add on being for PL or CL wins or goals scored.
 
I’m not sure why people are getting their knickers in a twist over the cost.

We likely won’t pay £150m, as soon as Newcastle sign Sesko they’ll have to sell and if Isak’s determined to only come to Liverpool, then we’ll get him for £115-£120 after add-ons, would be my prediction.

They thing is - I don’t see anyone else better on the market, so comparing him to Ronaldo, etc is pointless because there’s nothing like that out there.

If the strategy is to buy good affordable talent that fits our style, but also strike a deal if it can be made on a player currently in the top tier of that position, then it’s sound if we have the money.

I don’t see anyone close to Isak’s level available - open to alternatives, but don’t see any.
 
Isak is 26 next month. I'm sure The King was 26 when we signed him so, not concerned about that. Of the 3 (Isak, Ekitike, Wirtz), I think it's fair Isak costs twice as much as the others, he's got a much higher pedigree. Wirtz fee is the outlier for me, it's massive. Saying he's a generational talent is fine but, playing for Leverkusen when you're 22, mmm. I'm sure he's going to be ace for us but, if Wirtz is worth £116M, Isak is worth well more.

Caveat that by saying none of these cunts are really worth this money but, hey ho.
 
Isak is 26 next month. I'm sure The King was 26 when we signed him so, not concerned about that. Of the 3 (Isak, Ekitike, Wirtz), I think it's fair Isak costs twice as much as the others, he's got a much higher pedigree. Wirtz fee is the outlier for me, it's massive. Saying he's a generational talent is fine but, playing for Leverkusen when you're 22, mmm. I'm sure he's going to be ace for us but, if Wirtz is worth £116M, Isak is worth well more.

Caveat that by saying none of these cunts are really worth this money but, hey ho.

Not sure why playing for Leverkusen at 22 is any issue? They won the league and he could have picked just about any club in Europe if he wanted to move.
 
What's this guy even talking about? I don't see any issue. How does Newcastle selling Isak help the Saudis?
That's the thing, it's a half baked arguement where it benefits PIF in 0 ways. I appreciate Newcastle doesn't want to sell, and they still dont have to even with Nunez going? It change anything. We get money that we might be able to use on Isak, because PIF legally cannot use that money to directly help Newcastle
 
It's not any of that shit. This is an off the table conversation. We will pay you x for Isak. If you want y for Isak then you must give us y - x (+ Nunez's actual value) for Nunez. It all works then.

That's how the merry-go-round will spin. And I've just had a stripe of ket so if I can see that and y'all can't I fear for humanity.
 
It's not any of that shit. This is an off the table conversation. We will pay you x for Isak. If you want y for Isak then you must give us y - x (+ Nunez's actual value) for Nunez. It all works then.

That's how the merry-go-round will spin. And I've just had a stripe of ket so if I can see that and y'all can't I fear for humanity.
I can see it, but it's similar to what Newcastle were doing last season with villa. 20m for a third choice 30 year old GK? Nah. They're fucking crying it in now they're the one not getting the benefit.
 
I don't know anything about that, I don't know about villa's GK or any of that other stuff, but if this is all about headline figures and they have infinite money and want to look all cool at the start and end of this then that's the equation that must be obeyed. I think.

I mean let's work it out.

We say we will spend 100m on Isak. They say fuck off we want 150m. We go ok. We want 90 million for Nunez, which is a price inflated by 50 million because at best the cunt is worth 40.

We get the extra 50m. We then buy Isak for 150. Saudis get a donkey. Newcastle save face, make loads of inroads into their accounting bullshit, and we win the league.

Yeah?
 
This is all just stupid. Why wouldn't the Saudis just accept less for Isak rather than paying us to pay them more.

It's pretty much the definition of robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 
Because getting more money into Newcastle makes them able to spend more money on Newcastle. It's the stupid rule thingies.

Exactly

And thats why i'm confused Storey is pushing the "Newcastle should be furious" angle. Why? They potentially are maximising their income and boosting PSR for them.

It's just a weirds angle to come at it from (journalistically speaking). the "sportwashing" stuff didn't work, so now they're goign "look they're shit owners by making sure you get 150m"
 
Because getting more money into Newcastle makes them able to spend more money on Newcastle. It's the stupid rule thingies.

It's still pretty weak. They're not gonna pay 90m for Nunez, it's 60, so the extra over your valuation is only 20 anyway.
 
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