I'd be getting shut of Spearing and Shelvey before Raul.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=45723.msg1348545#msg1348545 date=1307994576]
I'd be getting shut of Spearing and Shelvey before Raul.
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id get shelevy and raul to have a hollywood ball off to see who we'd keep, and spearing can just hide in someones sock
I'd be getting shut of Spearing and Shelvey before Raul.
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id get shelevy and raul to have a hollywood ball off to see who we'd keep, and spearing can just hide in someones sock
I'd be reluctant to get rid of any of them tbh, unless a good bid came in for Spearing, Lucas or Shelvey. If we got a ridiculous bid for Ming then maybe we could buy a quality winger, but I wouldn't be pushing to get rid, I thought he had a great season.
-----------------Lucas/Spearing------------------
------------Gerrard-----Meireles/Adam----------
-Henderson
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------------Gerrard-----Meireles/Adam----------
-Henderson
A lot of hysterics going on here over twatter rumour.
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I must admit that from the first day he signed, i've been confused as to Meireles's true position . Did he not sign straight away after mascherano left ? , so to me he was coming in as a defensive midfielder .And every time i'd seen him for porto or portugal that was the position he seemed to be playing. Indeed all my Portuguese mates were very surprised when I mentioned his advanced role in our team .
So as much as I like him and agree he was probably our player of the season , if we go to a 4-4-2 with Carroll and Suarez up front and wingers, then I am not sure how he fits in the team . I'd love him to have a bit more steel about him so he could play Def-Mid but for some reason he's never had a good go in there for us . I hope he stays though , and it would be madness to rate someone like Adam or even Henderson ahead of him .
So as much as I like him and agree he was probably our player of the season , if we go to a 4-4-2 with Carroll and Suarez up front and wingers, then I am not sure how he fits in the team . I'd love him to have a bit more steel about him so he could play Def-Mid but for some reason he's never had a good go in there for us . I hope he stays though , and it would be madness to rate someone like Adam or even Henderson ahead of him .
wasn't mascher on something equally low aswell?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45723.msg1348658#msg1348658 date=1308014357]
I find it hard to believe that we could get away with paying 13M for an International midfielder and only pay him 30K a week.
If that's the case then Raul's issue should be with his dogshit agent, and not the club.
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If it is true though he must have really wanted to play for liverpool, keeeeeep himmmmm!
I find it hard to believe that we could get away with paying 13M for an International midfielder and only pay him 30K a week.
If that's the case then Raul's issue should be with his dogshit agent, and not the club.
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If it is true though he must have really wanted to play for liverpool, keeeeeep himmmmm!
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45723.msg1348254#msg1348254 date=1307971700]
If he is leaving, where is he going?
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Hey Ross - Didn't you once say you agreed with selling players when they were valued at a price they were never likely to be valued at again (either though age and/or playing at their peak)? I think you cited Robbie Keane and Berbatov as an example.
If that's the case, then you'd agree with us selling the 29 year old Meireles about now for the purported 14M odd?
Fear not, I'm not goading, just intrigued at your opinion on this one.
If he is leaving, where is he going?
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Hey Ross - Didn't you once say you agreed with selling players when they were valued at a price they were never likely to be valued at again (either though age and/or playing at their peak)? I think you cited Robbie Keane and Berbatov as an example.
If that's the case, then you'd agree with us selling the 29 year old Meireles about now for the purported 14M odd?
Fear not, I'm not goading, just intrigued at your opinion on this one.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45723.msg1348672#msg1348672 date=1308028308]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45723.msg1348254#msg1348254 date=1307971700]
If he is leaving, where is he going?
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Hey Ross - Didn't you once say you agreed with selling players when they were valued at a price they were never likely to be valued at again (either though age and/or playing at their peak)? I think you cited Robbie Keane and Berbatov as an example.
If that's the case, then you'd agree with us selling the 29 year old Meireles about now for the purported 14M odd?
Fear not, I'm not goading, just intrigued at your opinion on this one.
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Well firstly he's 28, he'll be 29 at the end of next season.
In theory I wouldn't be against selling him because of what you say above and because of what Hansern posted earlier about him not having an ideal position in this team.
It just depends on the offer and what we plan to replace him with.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45723.msg1348254#msg1348254 date=1307971700]
If he is leaving, where is he going?
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Hey Ross - Didn't you once say you agreed with selling players when they were valued at a price they were never likely to be valued at again (either though age and/or playing at their peak)? I think you cited Robbie Keane and Berbatov as an example.
If that's the case, then you'd agree with us selling the 29 year old Meireles about now for the purported 14M odd?
Fear not, I'm not goading, just intrigued at your opinion on this one.
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Well firstly he's 28, he'll be 29 at the end of next season.
In theory I wouldn't be against selling him because of what you say above and because of what Hansern posted earlier about him not having an ideal position in this team.
It just depends on the offer and what we plan to replace him with.
I would have to agree with Ross above.
Though it'd be pretty shit if we got rid and got Charlie Adam as a replacement. If we were getting in say Defour and M'vila, selling Meireles wouldn't bother me too much. Since that's highly unlikely, we're best holding on to him I guess.
Though it'd be pretty shit if we got rid and got Charlie Adam as a replacement. If we were getting in say Defour and M'vila, selling Meireles wouldn't bother me too much. Since that's highly unlikely, we're best holding on to him I guess.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45723.msg1348658#msg1348658 date=1308014357]
I find it hard to believe that we could get away with paying 13M for an International midfielder and only pay him 30K a week.
If that's the case then Raul's issue should be with his dogshit agent, and not the club.
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Of course we could, moving from Porto to Liverpool is and will always be step up even if Porto is in the CL and we arent.
Yeah, his issue is with his agent, but he probably really wanted to come and didnt see the money as being that big a step. It's only now that he realises that he's a vital cog in the team whilst the club rubs its hands in glee in paying him a third of what it's happy to pay its other dogmuck in Red shirts.
Is it the clubs fault, no..but it's not going to make him any less unhappy.
I don't see why it's so difficult to renegotiate his salary to a wage we're happy to pay our useless players..
I find it hard to believe that we could get away with paying 13M for an International midfielder and only pay him 30K a week.
If that's the case then Raul's issue should be with his dogshit agent, and not the club.
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Of course we could, moving from Porto to Liverpool is and will always be step up even if Porto is in the CL and we arent.
Yeah, his issue is with his agent, but he probably really wanted to come and didnt see the money as being that big a step. It's only now that he realises that he's a vital cog in the team whilst the club rubs its hands in glee in paying him a third of what it's happy to pay its other dogmuck in Red shirts.
Is it the clubs fault, no..but it's not going to make him any less unhappy.
I don't see why it's so difficult to renegotiate his salary to a wage we're happy to pay our useless players..
I think some people underestimate the skills of The Ming.
I don't think we could improve that greatly no matter who we bought. He was fans player of the year in the whole of England last year. Like neutrals agree that he was as good as it got in this league last year.
All this talk of 'he'll be 29 in a year'. What the fuck is that? Yeah, I'll be 137 in a hundred years so kill me now. He's 28 and playing out of his skin.
I don't think we could improve that greatly no matter who we bought. He was fans player of the year in the whole of England last year. Like neutrals agree that he was as good as it got in this league last year.
All this talk of 'he'll be 29 in a year'. What the fuck is that? Yeah, I'll be 137 in a hundred years so kill me now. He's 28 and playing out of his skin.
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45723.msg1348711#msg1348711 date=1308038452]
I think some people underestimate the skills of The Ming.
I don't think we could improve that greatly no matter who we bought. He was fans player of the year in the whole of England last year. Like neutrals agree that he was as good as it got in this league last year.
All this talk of 'he'll be 29 in a year'. What the fuck is that? Yeah, I'll be 137 in a hundred years so kill me now. He's 28 and playing out of his skin.
[/quote]Me and you against the world kid.
Meireles is the fucking man and should be in our first team next year.
I think some people underestimate the skills of The Ming.
I don't think we could improve that greatly no matter who we bought. He was fans player of the year in the whole of England last year. Like neutrals agree that he was as good as it got in this league last year.
All this talk of 'he'll be 29 in a year'. What the fuck is that? Yeah, I'll be 137 in a hundred years so kill me now. He's 28 and playing out of his skin.
[/quote]Me and you against the world kid.
Meireles is the fucking man and should be in our first team next year.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45723.msg1348712#msg1348712 date=1308038583]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45723.msg1348711#msg1348711 date=1308038452]
I think some people underestimate the skills of The Ming.
I don't think we could improve that greatly no matter who we bought. He was fans player of the year in the whole of England last year. Like neutrals agree that he was as good as it got in this league last year.
All this talk of 'he'll be 29 in a year'. What the fuck is that? Yeah, I'll be 137 in a hundred years so kill me now. He's 28 and playing out of his skin.
[/quote]Me and you against the world kid.
Meireles is the fucking man and should be in our first team next year.
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FACTS.
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45723.msg1348711#msg1348711 date=1308038452]
I think some people underestimate the skills of The Ming.
I don't think we could improve that greatly no matter who we bought. He was fans player of the year in the whole of England last year. Like neutrals agree that he was as good as it got in this league last year.
All this talk of 'he'll be 29 in a year'. What the fuck is that? Yeah, I'll be 137 in a hundred years so kill me now. He's 28 and playing out of his skin.
[/quote]Me and you against the world kid.
Meireles is the fucking man and should be in our first team next year.
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FACTS.
To use the somewhat unlikely scenario of us signing Mata and Banega, with Ming going the other way - that would obviously represent an improvement on the overall standard of the squad. What's more, much as I like Meireles, he is not even a guaranteed starter when everyone is fit. Banega and Mata would walk into our first team.
Remember when we were fucking brilliant? I do. Well, the best side we ever had in 88/89... And we had the best attacking mid / forward line on the planet?
Dalglish 38
Aldo 30
Rush 28
Johnston 29
Beardsley 28
Houghton 27
Barnes 26
Oh yeah, but it was different then, blah blah fucking blah.
Dalglish 38
Aldo 30
Rush 28
Johnston 29
Beardsley 28
Houghton 27
Barnes 26
Oh yeah, but it was different then, blah blah fucking blah.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=45723.msg1348727#msg1348727 date=1308040360]
To use the somewhat unlikely scenario of us signing Mata and Banega, with Ming going the other way - that would obviously represent an improvement on the overall standard of the squad. What's more, much as I like Meireles, he is not even a guaranteed starter when everyone is fit. Banega and Mata would walk into our first team.
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Stop using good sound fucking logic on this board Del.
*looks for report to moderator button
(NB It was not that long ago when most were slagging him off for being a lightweight woos and I found myself having to stick up for him)
regards
To use the somewhat unlikely scenario of us signing Mata and Banega, with Ming going the other way - that would obviously represent an improvement on the overall standard of the squad. What's more, much as I like Meireles, he is not even a guaranteed starter when everyone is fit. Banega and Mata would walk into our first team.
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Stop using good sound fucking logic on this board Del.
*looks for report to moderator button
(NB It was not that long ago when most were slagging him off for being a lightweight woos and I found myself having to stick up for him)
regards
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45723.msg1348729#msg1348729 date=1308040568]
Remember when we were fucking brilliant? I do. Well, the best side we ever had in 88/89... And we had the best attacking mid / forward line on the planet?
Dalglish 38
Aldo 30
Rush 28
Johnston 29
Beardsley 28
Houghton 27
Barnes 26
Oh yeah, but it was different then, blah blah fucking blah.
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Krump makes a good point. There is nothing wrong with good older players in a team, In fact I bet if you look at United and Chelsea they have done well with more than a fair share of older players. The core of which have been in the team for some time.
Like any team a good team is one with the right blend of players, and experience is in that mix.
I think that is where things are heading, I suspect the plan is to build a team that will finnish in the top four as a matter of urgency , but has the players to stick together for five, six years or more , build continuity and know each other completely, and having kicked on to the next stage, after a few years and stay there for some time before a major rebuild is required. A team that we don't keep having to complete major overhauls on, with dissatisfied home-sick players and other teams thinking they can unsettle them, but get into the position where we can add one top player per season. Once you are at the top it is much easier to stay there than try and attain it, players want to come, fans are much more forgiving and you can afford it.
regards
Remember when we were fucking brilliant? I do. Well, the best side we ever had in 88/89... And we had the best attacking mid / forward line on the planet?
Dalglish 38
Aldo 30
Rush 28
Johnston 29
Beardsley 28
Houghton 27
Barnes 26
Oh yeah, but it was different then, blah blah fucking blah.
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Krump makes a good point. There is nothing wrong with good older players in a team, In fact I bet if you look at United and Chelsea they have done well with more than a fair share of older players. The core of which have been in the team for some time.
Like any team a good team is one with the right blend of players, and experience is in that mix.
I think that is where things are heading, I suspect the plan is to build a team that will finnish in the top four as a matter of urgency , but has the players to stick together for five, six years or more , build continuity and know each other completely, and having kicked on to the next stage, after a few years and stay there for some time before a major rebuild is required. A team that we don't keep having to complete major overhauls on, with dissatisfied home-sick players and other teams thinking they can unsettle them, but get into the position where we can add one top player per season. Once you are at the top it is much easier to stay there than try and attain it, players want to come, fans are much more forgiving and you can afford it.
regards
Excellent post.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45723.msg1348743#msg1348743 date=1308041785]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45723.msg1348729#msg1348729 date=1308040568]
Remember when we were fucking brilliant? I do. Well, the best side we ever had in 88/89... And we had the best attacking mid / forward line on the planet?
Dalglish 38
Aldo 30
Rush 28
Johnston 29
Beardsley 28
Houghton 27
Barnes 26
Oh yeah, but it was different then, blah blah fucking blah.
[/quote]
Krump makes a good point. There is nothing wrong with good older players in a team, In fact I bet if you look at United and Chelsea they have done well with more than a fair share of older players. The core of which have been in the team for some time.
Like any team a good team is one with the right blend of players, and experience is in that mix.
I think that is where things are heading, I suspect the plan is to build a team that will finnish in the top four as a matter of urgency , but has the players to stick together for five, six years or more , build continuity and know each other completely, and having kicedk on to the next stage, after a few years stay there for some time before a major rebuild is required. A team that we don't keep having to complete major overhauls on, with dissatisfied home-sick players and other teams thinking they can unsettle them, but get into the position where we can add one top player per season. Once you are at the top it is much easier to stay there than try and attain it, players want to come, fans are much more forgiving and you can afford it.
regards
regards
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good post vlad.
I have nothing against older players, that doesn't come into the arguement imho, what does come into the arguement is Mata and Banega represent better value than meireles alone, there is no arguing that, surely?
obviously selling meireles and replacing him with adam most certainly does not represent better value to the squad.
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45723.msg1348729#msg1348729 date=1308040568]
Remember when we were fucking brilliant? I do. Well, the best side we ever had in 88/89... And we had the best attacking mid / forward line on the planet?
Dalglish 38
Aldo 30
Rush 28
Johnston 29
Beardsley 28
Houghton 27
Barnes 26
Oh yeah, but it was different then, blah blah fucking blah.
[/quote]
Krump makes a good point. There is nothing wrong with good older players in a team, In fact I bet if you look at United and Chelsea they have done well with more than a fair share of older players. The core of which have been in the team for some time.
Like any team a good team is one with the right blend of players, and experience is in that mix.
I think that is where things are heading, I suspect the plan is to build a team that will finnish in the top four as a matter of urgency , but has the players to stick together for five, six years or more , build continuity and know each other completely, and having kicedk on to the next stage, after a few years stay there for some time before a major rebuild is required. A team that we don't keep having to complete major overhauls on, with dissatisfied home-sick players and other teams thinking they can unsettle them, but get into the position where we can add one top player per season. Once you are at the top it is much easier to stay there than try and attain it, players want to come, fans are much more forgiving and you can afford it.
regards
regards
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good post vlad.
I have nothing against older players, that doesn't come into the arguement imho, what does come into the arguement is Mata and Banega represent better value than meireles alone, there is no arguing that, surely?
obviously selling meireles and replacing him with adam most certainly does not represent better value to the squad.
I rate Adam and would be happy if we bought him, but he represents a threat largely from setpieces and keeping the momentum going in midfield, whereas Ming gives us those kind of runs from midfield that are difficult for the opposition to pick up, which gives us good movement and numbers in attack. We need a winger/another attacker more than we need both of them.
In general I agree with you.
There is a growing assumption that Adam is a direct replacement for Ming, we don't know that at all, he might be being brought in to be part of a midfield permutation with Ming.
If someone has an mind to include Ming as part of some deal to bring about a deal for players we really covet and need , it does make sense, I would rather someone coveted Lucas to be honest , but as I said in earlier posts if it is for the greater good , it has to be done. Just like as it turned out Torres going was for the greater good.
If it did come to pass are we better off losing Ming , but gaining Adam and Mata, I would suggest we are.
I say again for the sake of clarity I like Ming, he is a class act , I think after Suarez he was the most positive thing about last year, I want to keep him, and I would play him every week.
regards
There is a growing assumption that Adam is a direct replacement for Ming, we don't know that at all, he might be being brought in to be part of a midfield permutation with Ming.
If someone has an mind to include Ming as part of some deal to bring about a deal for players we really covet and need , it does make sense, I would rather someone coveted Lucas to be honest , but as I said in earlier posts if it is for the greater good , it has to be done. Just like as it turned out Torres going was for the greater good.
If it did come to pass are we better off losing Ming , but gaining Adam and Mata, I would suggest we are.
I say again for the sake of clarity I like Ming, he is a class act , I think after Suarez he was the most positive thing about last year, I want to keep him, and I would play him every week.
regards
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